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Fussy Greyband

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I bought Spot in August 2007 fresh from the egg from a friend of mine. He was exactly 4 days old and full of egg-yolk when I picked him up...

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This little SOB has been the most difficult snake to get feeding. He refused rodents right off the bat. He wanted nothing to do with them at all. I tried washed, brained, slit, scented, live and combinations of them, but he wanted nothing to do with rodents.

To keep him alive, I gave in and started feeding him lizards. He got to where he would take f/t lizards, which was pretty good...but still not rodents.

After he ate, I'd say...roughly a dozen f/t lizards, fed every 5 days, I started scenting pinkies with live lizards. I kept 5 lizards in a small plastic jug with air holes. I let them poop and shed all over the jug. When it was time to feed Spot, I just dropped in a live pinky, and the lizards would kick it around, getting it covered with smelly, icky, lizard odor.

He would eat heavily scented live rodents...sometimes. Only about every 4 weeks, would he eat a scented rodent. It was getting frustrating...

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This winter, I brumated this little fella for 4 weeks. A very short brumation cycle, but...I had to try something new...

After brumation, his first meal was an f/t lizard. He ate it straight away. I knew he would...he LOVES lizards.

His next meal...an f/t pinky that was washed and scneted using only old lizard poop. I washed and defrosted a pinky with hjot, soapy water, and then dropped it in a deli cup that had lizard poop in it(yes...I save lizard poop. it works for scenting pinkies...). Wouldn't you know it...he at that pinky. It took some time, and he really had to think about it...but he ate that f/t scented pinky.

The following week...same thing. Washed, f/t pink, scented with lizard poop. This time...no hesitation. He ate it straight away.

The week after that...live pinky, washed with hot water and Dial soap. I washed it to remove ALL rodent scent and to remove MY scent from the live pinky. After deep consideration...HE ATE IT!! It was the very first, unscented pinky this snake had eaten sionce August 2007. Yes...I was happy...

This week...just yesterday, as a matter of fact...I gave Spot a single, small frozen/thawed pinky. I did not wash it, did not scent it...I did nothing to it but defrost it and give it to him. My little pain in the arse ate it! FINALLY!! After a year and a half this dag-nabbed snake finally decides that rodents are food, and ate an f/t pinky with no assistance, no scenting, no washing...nothing. Just a single, f/t pinky.

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!

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Anyone wanting advice on getting picky greybands to eat...let me know. I got tips out the hoohaa to try...;)

One good thing about all this...I have an experiment i want to conduct, and this little bugger will be the perfect father for the clutch. I want to experiment with scenting eggs during the last 2 weeks of developement. Greybands are known lizard specialists, so I knew getting into it that this could be a test of skill and patience for me with this greyband. My experiment will consist of breeding known lizard specialists, and scenting the eggs opf the offspring with "mouse juice" in an effort to convince the babies inside the eggs that THIS is what they want to eat. It is something that has worked with Indigo snakes, King Cobras, and Crocodiles in experiments. They actually hatched crocodiles that prefer strawberry scented meaty to regularly scented meat. Shoot...greybands eating mice should be easy, right??

So at least I know, for a fact, that the genetic predisposition to eat lizards will be present in the offspring of this male. I have his story as a control for the experiment...

Thanks for wading through this nonsense!!
 
I did scent eggs last year - but I don't really know if you can call it an experiment since I only had three eggs and scented all of them. It did work and all three babies readily took mice straight away from hatching when the previous year with no scenting - none of them took mice for almost a year.
 
Wow, nice little story and great looking snake. Im glad you got him eating what you wanted him to eat!
 
Way to go! You are the most patient person ever!

I think that would be a really neat experiment - the egg scenting that is. I've never heard of it! And your right, he would be the perfect father for a clutch to try that experiment on!
 
Great job ... and perseverance... with this very nice looking boy!
If you do the egg scenting, I would be very interested in the results. Katie appears to have had great success, by doing this, with her last(?) clutch. So, it would be great to see if a good success rate is fairly consistent (via multiple trials).
 
Egg scenting? Is that where you rub pinkies on the eggs so that they want it when they hatch??? I've never heard of it before...
 
I have heard of various methods of transfering the scent onto the eggs.
What I did was cut up a pinky pretty good, mixed it with a small amount of distilled water - dipped a qtip in the mixture - and put a small dab on the top of each egg every day for the last two weeks of incubation.
 
Really? That's it? Was it like "pinky soup" (eww), or just watery? And JUST ONE DAB? Wow, I would think you'd have to rub it all over the egg for it to matter...
 
Really? That's it? Was it like "pinky soup" (eww), or just watery? And JUST ONE DAB? Wow, I would think you'd have to rub it all over the egg for it to matter...

Evidently not...

Researchers used a similar technique to scent eggs from King Cobras, Indigos, and crocodiles. It was shown to aid in getting the offspring to accept food that would otherwise be outside of their instinctual sources. King Cobras and Indigos are both incredibly ophiophagus...almost exclusively. So using a "rat soup", they scented eggs for the last 14 days of developement, and a solid majority(I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head, and I don't have the article anymore...) accepted rats straight away.

They used a similar technique on crocodiles using strawberry scent. The offspring that were scented showed a definitive preferance to strawberry scented prey over normal prey items.

The idea is to allow the scent to permeate the eggs while the baby is developing, thus "imprinting" the offspring with the scent. Research shows a greater acceptance of the imprinted prey item than non-scented siblings. Some people were intrigued with the idea and tried the technique with some traditionally picky species with variable success...
 
Chris - I still can't thank you enough for bringing this info to the forum last year. I firmly believe that the info you shared is exactly why my graybands actually thrived this time. Hopefully I will have the same success this year.
 
I wonder if I could just put my incubators in my rodent room.........
That would also be something to try.
 
Congrats on overcoming one of the most hard-headed of feeders Chris! That is one awesome feat! I know people that have been working for years to get their Greybands to eat rodents to no avail. That is definitely something to be proud of. I think the egg scenting will work, if not completely then at least some of the hatchlings will recognize the smell as a food course. I would like to try this as well, but I don't really have anything that will require it. When my Tricolor Hoggie pair start breeding, I will then have an experiment-worthy project brewing.
 
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