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Genetics prediction?

TandJ said:
Creamsicles and rootbeers are the same thing..

Creamsicle just are Emoryi hybirds that carry the corn snakes version of amel..

Rootbeers just a "normal corn" like critter.. Depending on how many generations have passed into the corn crossings..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
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Got it see simple sentences work with me all the time. So if I breed a normal to a creamsicle????? Also if I'm using predicter would I just consider cream=amel.
Just read your sig. I think Jen P with 81+- is way too many, 32 to females you can breed, crazy. But can I come visit, lol. susan
 
The fact that my snake is a hybrid doesn't bother me at all, but I guess that's because I'm not a professional breeder or something. He is my first and favorite snake, with the best temperment out of all 3 of my corns. He is a very eager eater, though, and once he smells a mouse in the room where I keep him, he's trying to escape to get to his meal, haha.
The place where I saw the $10 corn was at a Midwest Reptile Breeders Expo today...I wanted to buy a little anery for $20, but I held back because my parents were on vacation and I'd probably get in trouble...lol...there were a lot of butters, and an aztec for like $50. I'm mad I didn't get anything, but theres another show next weekend in Overland Park, KS.
 
TandJ said:
Well Sue, here is another part of the hot topic you really need to know.. A lot of Emoryi blood is present in "pure" Corns today.. Want a start? Candycanes are hybrids, even though many generations have passed without the influence of emoryi, but it is the emoryi influence that created the light background animals to begin with.. Regards.. Tim of T and J
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Are you saying that my candy canes i got from Rich Z (serpenco) were not the results of his selective breeding of miami phase corns as he said ?? That he used emoryi blood in them?
 
Msterry said:
Are you saying that my candy canes i got from Rich Z (serpenco) were not the results of his selective breeding of miami phase corns as he said ?? That he used emoryi blood in them?
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I do not believe that's what he is saying. And I personally know Rich and know that he'd be 100% honest in any and all of his descriptions. The ultra topic has come out many a times and everyone has pretty much agreed that Mike Falcon had/has no clue about the lineage and it's very possible that the ultra gene came from grey rats. It's also quite possible that they didn't.

Kathy has said that she used emoryi stock to create candy canes. If Rich ever purchased any candy canes from Kathy then it's quite possible and probable that there is some emoryi blood in those lines. I would assume, however, that since Rich 'created' the 'Miami' look, that his selective breeding did not encompass any others stock.

Just my guess, though.
 
TandJ said:
Well Sue, here is another part of the hot topic you really need to know.. A lot of Emoryi blood is present in "pure" Corns today.. Want a start? Candycanes are hybrids, even though many generations have passed without the influence of emoryi, but it is the emoryi influence that created the light background animals to begin with..
Regards.. Tim of T and J
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Thanks for the input JoeJr.
He did state tho that candy canes are hybrids. He did'nt say some or most, he incompassed them all the way he said it.
If i had read this before i ordered in 05 i could have thought that Rich was lieing. I personally don't think he did. Others reading this might believe it however and wonder if they should order from him perhaps. Wonder perhaps if he has other hybrids he is selling and not telling. No way do i believe he would ever ever do that.
I guess bottom line is i trusted Rich and got her.... I love her even if she would be a hybrid, but i do not believe her to be. Shes my perfect snake in every way and i love her dearly. I just would want to be aware of it tho if she is is all.
This link is what he had as a explaination of his candy canes in 05 if you care to read about his quick 25 yr project...lol

http://www.serpenco.com/shop/custom...69&PHPSESSID=56df41de2eb3d07f7c1087bf87a22fbd
 
He did state tho that candy canes are hybrids. He did'nt say some or most, he incompassed them all the way he said it.
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Actually, I believe most captive corns have some degree of emoryi in them some wheres along the family tree... If not Emoryi, then black rat has worked its way in, if not that, grey rat has worked its way in, or even Cali King too.. :shrugs: :shrugs: :shrugs: Can't prove it eithier way at this point and time now can we? :cheers: Where have all the evul hybrids gone?


Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
From the link to Rich's site as provided from Msterry..

The first time I ever heard the name 'Candy Cane' was in reference to some amelanistic corn snakes being worked with by Kevin Enge. Also, Bill & Kathy Love were also working on a similar project at the time. Around 1986 a bunch of corn snakes from Glen Slemmer came into Hogtown Herps in Gainesville, FL, and Kevin had the pick of the pack. Nothing is really certain about the genetic lineage of this group of animals, but some of the red on white animals were spectacular and Kevin coined the name 'Candy Cane' based on this original look. Although Glen Slemmer was well known for creating the original emoryi crosses with corns, none of the animals were apparently labeled, so there was no way to determine what any of the individual animals actually were. Certainly not ALL of his corn snakes were involved in the hybrid crosses, so some surely must have been pure corn snakes. Some of Glen Slemmers stock also went to Bill & kathy Love as well as Mark Bell around the same time. I believe Kathy Love mentioned infusing emoryi stock into their Candy Cane project in an article in Reptiles Magazine several years ago, but I'm not certain when this took place in relation to the animals they received from Glen Slemmer's stock.
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What are they? Rich seems skeptical too, but he is certainly not hiding anything at all..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
No he is certainly not hiding anything. He's let us know where the handle candy cane came from.
As you read tho he did his with selective breeding of the miami's.
 
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