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Help! Abrasion, allergy, or something worse?

msfrankie

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Hi everybody...I need help. This afternoon, when I took my guy out of his vivarium to play with him, I noticed that his belly scales, particularly closer to his head were all screwed up. Some of them looked like pieces had peeled off of them, others looked out of alignment and still others looked like they were missing chunks. I'm not sure what's going on with him.

He's acting normal and alert, but I'm very concerned. The only strange thing I can think of is I changed his bedding from aspen to pine a couple of weeks ago (my pet store was out of aspen). Could he somehow be allergic to it? He's never lived in anything but aspen before. Or is he irritating himself somehow? Or is this a sign of a disease?

I did change his bedding back to aspen today as soon as I could.

Please help! I have attached a picture of some of his messed up belly scales. Thank you all in advance, I am so worried about my boy :(

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First of all, I would get him off the pine. If the store doesn't have aspen, then just put him on paper towels (until you are able to get more aspen).

What kind of heating do you use? Is it on a thermostat? To me, it looks like he may have burned himself.
 
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He shed about two weeks ago and it was whole and seemed healthy.

He's got a heating pad stuck to the bottom of his tank and come to think of it, the glass above it did seem hotter than usual. Perhaps a function of the pine? I've turned it down now, and he's been back on aspen since last night.
 
Pine and cedar will both cause adverse reactions in reptiles, Im no snake genious but I would soak him and clean the cage well. Then line with paper for awhile untill this clears up.
 
Unfortunately, I won't be able to scrub the cage out until Sunday night when my boyfriend gets home from his trip. It's too heavy for me to move by myself and positioned in such a way that I can't clean it well - he usually helps me with such things.

Thank you all, it sounds like it's not that serious and my guy will be just fine :)
 
As Corncrazy suggest, switch to paper towels until you get some more aspen. And if you don't know the temps of the uth you need to regulate it by using a thermostat or a rheostat. Sounds like you also need to read up on some basic care information.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28341
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28342
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17224
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sh...?p=133428#post6
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28343
 
ozzy_101 said:
Did you know that you were NOT spose to put snakes on pine!!! It's Not good for them at all.
(emphasis mine)

The word is 'supposed'. Sorry to be an English-language Nazi, but this one can't be ignored. :nope:
 
Well im not gunna b*tch you out like everyone else, for a simple mistake. But thats not the cause of what has happened...its exactly what happened to my ball python.

Go to your local drug store, pick up a bottle of Betadine...when you get home, change the snakes bedding over to newspaper, this is very important. Get a container (or your sink) fill up a couple inches (enough for the snake to rest on the bottom and keep his head up) of warm water, pour a good amount of the betadine in there until the water is brown, but not too much, just enough...say like 3 tablspoons....depending on how much water..anyway...let him soak in there, under your supervision, for 15 minutes. When he comes out, put some neosporin (the unmedicated kind) on the area on his tummy and let him rest in his cage....in his cage there should only be his hide and his water bowl..and the newspaper... Soak him every 3-4 days and he should be better after a couple sheds. But clean the area and put fresh neosporin on it every day. Offer him a meal in a couple days.

Good luck with your baby.
 
Oh, sorry for not saying, It doesnt look anything like a burn, looks more like he had some blisters that had popped and thats why some of his scales are weirder than normal....its hard to explain what im talkin about over the internet, but trust me, it had happened to my ball, and shes doing 100% better:)
 
The most important thing is to switch from pine...

Even if you are not able to properly scrub the tank, take all the pine out and give it a good wipe down with a damp cloth, and give any hides or plants a wee rinse.

Newspaper or paper towles would be your best option substrate wise.
 
JenC said:
Well im not gunna b*tch you out like everyone else, for a simple mistake. But thats not the cause of what has happened...its exactly what happened to my ball python.
Get a life, Jen. Most of the posts in this thread were not hateful (well until now, anyway).
JenC said:
Get a container (or your sink) fill up a couple inches (enough for the snake to rest on the bottom and keep his head up) of warm water, pour a good amount of the betadine in there until the water is brown, but not too much, just enough...say like 3 tablspoons....depending on how much water..
It is MUCH better to use Nolvasan for soaking, but Betadine will work, too. The problem with this statement is that the Betadine should be VERY dilute. It does not have to do anything but slighty change the water color. In my opinion, if you do not know how much of something to add...then just say so, Jen. It would have been better to just say, "I know you can use Betadine and water, but I do not know how to mix it." Look how many different things you said about mixing it. :rolleyes: I'm sorry, but how can you expect someone to follow those directions?
JenC said:
neosporin (the unmedicated kind)
Ummm...all Neosporin is medicated...or it would just be vaseline. :grin01:
JenC said:
It doesnt look anything like a burn, looks more like he had some blisters that had popped and thats why some of his scales are weirder than normal
I have seen (and treated) LOTS of burns before. I am after all, a Licensed Veterinary Medical Technician. :rolleyes: I am not saying that it definitely is a burn, but my goodness, who are you to say what it is? You are 16 years old and most likely don't have very much experience yet. The most logical thing would be that it is a burn...especially if the UTH hasn't been regulated with a thermostat. And by the way, what can burns cause??? BLISTERS!!

Now, it could also be scale rot or a skin infection. Most often these two problems are related to poor husbandry/cleaning practices. Unless msfrankie has nasty cages, it is much less likely for it to be one of these.
JenC said:
They stated in their first post they ALREADY SWITCHED BACK TO ASPEN! Jeez guys.
Well, excuse us for overlooking one little piece of information. Don't you think it could have been pointed out nicely?

Anyway, I simply had to address your attitude with a bit of my own. I am so tired of people reading non-existent attitudes/hatefulness into what was said. Just because we offer advice does not mean we are being hateful. Give it a rest already.
 
CornCrazy said:
It is MUCH better to use Nolvasan for soaking, but Betadine will work, too.

Can you tell me where to get Nolvasan or Betadine?

Ummm...all Neosporin is medicated...or it would just be vaseline. :grin01: I have seen (and treated) LOTS of burns before. I am after all, a Licensed Veterinary Medical Technician. :rolleyes: ... The most logical thing would be that it is a burn...especially if the UTH hasn't been regulated with a thermostat. And by the way, what can burns cause??? BLISTERS!!

Would you still recommend Neosporin?

Now, it could also be scale rot or a skin infection. Most often these two problems are related to poor husbandry/cleaning practices. Unless msfrankie has nasty cages, it is much less likely for it to be one of these.

I clean his cage and change his substrate regularly, so I doubt it's this, but just in case, how would this be treated?

Thank you, Terri.
 
Sorry for trying to help. Just because im not a liscensed veterinarian doesnt mean i cant share my knowledge and experience...i STATED my experience with the subject, and then offered my advice. Im sorry, but that's what I thot this forum was for...
 
CornCrazy said:
Get a life, Jen. Most of the posts in this thread were not hateful (well until now, anyway).

Ouch. Well Terri i DO have a life, if i didn't, i probly would have racked up as many post's as you;)
 
msfrankie said:
Can you tell me where to get Nolvasan or Betadine?
Information about Nolvasan:

Nolvasan is an Unscented 2% Chlorehexadine Solution that was created and tested at the Fort Dodge Animal research laboratories in Ft Dodge, IA. "

"Nolvasan" (chlorhexidine diacetate),
the only"EPA-registered" chlorhexidine disinfectant,
works against at least 60 different bacteria, fungi, yeasts,and viruses.

Nolvasan is non-corrosive, has minimal to no skin irritation, and retains antimicrobial activity in the presence of organic matter.
Nolvasan's unique binding to skin proteins provides residual activity for as long as two days.
(Many other companies are manufacturing a "cloned" type product with the same active ingredient.)

A generic chlorhexidine solution can be purchased on-line, here: http://commerce.omahavaccine.com/si...ay.cfm?id=13366
Nolvasan itself is expensive (about $35.00/gallon), but it does last for quite a while.

Betadine can be purchased through the same company: http://www.petsuppliesdelivered.com/single_product_display.cfm?id=12717

If you decide to soak your snake, you just need enough Nolvasan/water solution to cover the affected areas. Since the area is on your snake's belly, just an inch or should be plenty. For a soak, we usually use a dilution of 1 part Nolvasan to 20 parts water.
msfrankie said:
Would you still recommend Neosporin?
Neosporin is probably not needed if you are soaking in Nolvasan. I recommend you keeping your snake on paper towels if you decide to use Neosporin. Aspen and dust like to stick to the Neosporin and can cause more problems.
msfrankie said:
I clean his cage and change his substrate regularly, so I doubt it's this, but just in case, how would this be treated?
Honestly, you would initially treat them all the same (by soaking them). If it is a severe burn, scale rot, or a skin infection, then systemic (oral or injectable) antibiotics may be required. If you notice the area getting worse, then you should schedule a visit with a qualified reptile vet.
msfrankie said:
Thank you, Terri.
You're welcome! Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions.
JenC said:
Sorry for trying to help. Just because im not a liscensed veterinarian doesnt mean i cant share my knowledge and experience...i STATED my experience with the subject, and then offered my advice. Im sorry, but that's what I thot this forum was for...
The problem is not that you stated your opinion or tried to offer advice. Although bad advice, in my opinion, can be worse than no advice. For the record, I am not saying that all of your advice is bad. The only real issue I had with your advice is that your directions were impossible to follow logically.

The other thing I want to point out is: You need to think about the fact that many of us have MUCH more training and experience than you. Consider that training before you say that person is wrong. How can you say it "doesn't look anything like a burn?" How many burns have you seen? How many have you treated? Do you get my point?
JenC said:
Ouch. Well Terri i DO have a life, if i didn't, i probly would have racked up as many post's as you;)
This is a moot point seeing as I have been here WAY longer than you.
 
Seriously, i want to know what is the big deal about the number of posts someone has... From the comments towards me, it seems like people assume if you have a large amount of posts in a small amount of time you are doing something unspeakable!?

I am confused and frustrated about this whole numbers system. Its like a freaking highschool competition. As is this rep system, but thats a completley different rant.
 
Tula_Montage said:
Seriously, i want to know what is the big deal about the number of posts someone has... From the comments towards me, it seems like people assume if you have a large amount of posts in a small amount of time you are doing something unspeakable!?

I am confused and frustrated about this whole numbers system. Its like a freaking highschool competition. As is this rep system, but thats a completley different rant.

Eliminate post count and rep, and people will still find other differences to dwell on. There would still be join date, which has already been referenced in this thread. There would always be something...

Who gives a rodent's gluteals anyway? :shrugs:
 
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