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amber_marshall75

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Can someone look at these and tell me what you thing that they are and what they aew worth. They are both 2002 breeding pair. They were sold to a guy as albino okeetee's but one looks like a butter to me. I am getting them in a trade but would still like to know what I am getting. Thanks for your help.

Amber
 

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Well, I'm quite a newbie in this matter, but for what's it's worth; first a creamsicle, second an amelistic or also some kind of cream... I think they're both not albino or so called reverse oketees, especially not the first, it has no white borders to the dorsal spots at all, and that's one of their most specific features! But they sure are beautifull! Don't know prices in Europe let alone in America... Why you're selling them?
 
Blutengel said:
Well, I'm quite a newbie in this matter, but for what's it's worth; first a creamsicle, second an amelistic or also some kind of cream... I think they're both not albino or so called reverse oketees, especially not the first, it has no white borders to the dorsal spots at all, and that's one of their most specific features! But they sure are beautifull! Don't know prices in Europe let alone in America... Why you're selling them?
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No I am getting them as a trade for some geckos but I wanted to know what they were. I don't know alot about creamsicles but I thought that first one really looked like a butter but what do I knoe? :)
 
I've heard people on this forum say, 'its not the monetary value that counts, but how much you personally like the snake'. If you see a snake that you fall in love with, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind paying extra for it.
If they are a proven breeding pair then they must be a good buy, think of the hatchlings you'll have next year. Did they have a good batch of hatchlings last time?
If it was me I'd get them just for the 'so called butter', what a colour!
Just my 0.02 ;)
 
For a morph guide, click the link: Morph guide

Click 'Corn snake care' (blue writing), then in site contents click 'photo gallery'.

There s a couple of pics of butters to show how different they can look with age ;)
 
As I said in the other post you made on this matter, the top looks like a creamsicle and the bottom looks like a regular amel. $200-$250, tops. I personally wouldn't pay $1 for them as one is a creamsicle. That combined with the fact that someone actually bought those and then is re-selling them as reverse okeetees would scare me off.
 
~slither~ said:
For a morph guide, click the link: Morph guide

Click 'Corn snake care' (blue writing), then in site contents click 'photo gallery'.

There s a couple of pics of butters to show how different they can look with age ;)
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I'd be very surprised if that was in fact a butter.
 
That first one most definitely looks like a creamiscle. No, I'm afraid that they don't all come in just orange. I would say a yellow creamsicle, which, of course, means that it is an emory/corn cross. The second one is looks like an amel or could possibly be a creamsicle with more corn blood in it, but I would go with amel.

As far as their worth, I agree, that depends on what value you place on them. Some people really like the creamsicles, others wouldn't touch them if given to them.

Hope this helps. :)
 
Amber, you can always test the "butter" against a caramel or a het caramel...If its a butter you should get caramels/ a mix of caramels and normals respectively, and all normal looking babies if its a creamsicle...If you don't do that, just be honest with any buyers of the hatchlings they produce that the background on the breeders is unknown :*)
 
As a little trick, you could send the seller (or swapper, whatever you call the person who owns the snakes) an e-mail and say the photos they sent aren't of reverse Okeetees and could he please send pics of the reverse Okeetees you're getting. If they say they are Rev.Okke's then you know the person either knows nothing about morphs...or is taking you for a ride. If that's the case, are you sure on any of the other details they're giving you...gender of each snake, proven breeders????



I agree with the others that they're a yellow creamsicle and an amel.
 
princess said:
What are the geckos worth to you?


We might be able to tell you if it's a fair swap then...
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Doh! And, building on that---which is the female---the creamsicle or the amel?
 
Joejr14 said:
Doh! And, building on that---which is the female---the creamsicle or the amel?
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I don't really care about the gecko's I don't know anything about them so I will just trade the guy for the the corn snakes. The male is the amel. The female is the yellow one. I will say that I sent the picture to Kathy Love and she said she thought that it was a butter. Don at South Mountain agreed with Kathy that it was probably a butter so I appriciate all of your help but I will have to go with Don and Kathy until I prove otherwise. So i guess I will have to get a carmel to prove it. Thanks so all your help.
 
Emails from Breeders
Hi Amber,
The First Corn Snake that is in the picture is a Butter Corn. It is an Amel Version of the Carmel Corn Which makes it an all Yellow Corn Snake with red (Amel) Eyes. Looks like a beautiful snake, I hope to be adding Butter's to the group this year, but currently do not have any in my lines, The Second Corn looks like a normal Amel with maybe some Miami influence, but the picture is labeled as a reverse Oketee

Jim Hopkins (Hoppy)
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Click on the link to visit my web site


Don @ South Mountain
The yellow one looks like a richly colored butter.The other is just an amelanistic corn. If you're referring to what they'd be worth since they're over two years old, it depends on what genders they are. If the yellow one is a female and is butter, maybe up to $200.00. If the other one is a male, $75.00. Female, $125.00. The females would have been worth more a month ago, but this late in the season, people are going to have to feed her for almost a year before getting eggs.

Don


Kathy Love

The first one is a butter. The second is an amel. Prices are HUGELY variable,
and depend on a lot of different things. I have them range from $75 - $300
- just depends on the animal and the circumstances.

Good luck!

Kathy Love
www.Cornutopia.com
P. O. Box 516
Alva, Fl 33920

239-728-2390
239-691-4414 (back up cell phone)
 
Well although Kathy and Don are at the top of the game here, I still stick with yellow creamsicle.

This is what I think represets a pretty typical butter.

If I saw your (soon to be your) snake on a table at an expo with no lable , I would assume it's a creamsicle.
 

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