Het. for a selectively bread morph

[cka]

.....and add "from Silverqueen line" or "from Sunglow line" if people are interested if selectivly bred morphs are somehow involved.

Totally agree, this way when someone's looking to outcross (an example) their sunglows for new blood they have an idea that these "het for amels" come from a background more in line with what they are trying to accomplish, vs. buying het amels from a candycane background, which probably aren't what they are looking for.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

I've been posting about my 'hypo het silver queen' female on here because that's what I bought her as from Serpenco. I was not planning to label her offspring as het for silver queen but they look very different from my other anerys as I recently said in photo gallery, so I think 'from the silver queen line' is a good way. However I'm not sure if it's the best way in my case because the male I bred her to is not from the silver queen line. I would want to know if someone said a corn was 'from the crimson line' if that means both parents, just one, or what...

 

[kathylove]

I agree...

I would say "het for amel, from candycane dad (or parents)", etc.

As far as candycanes (or other selectively bred morphs) that are not good reps of their types - I like to grade them. When they don't look like totally average amels, but will obviously have light peach or pink background color, I like to sell them as the cheaper grade, and describe them. But I also get a few that are really just amels, no matter the parents. Those I sell as "amels from candycane line".

Some of our descriptions can be misleading, but some are shorthand and may or may not be confusing, depending on the customer. Back to the old "het for snow" argument. While I sometimes use that shorthand myself, I do explain to beginners how it is easier to understand when the traits are separated. As long as the explanation is given, it may make it easier for them later when they will stumble upon that usage again.

Or how about "black (or red) albino" or other popular terms? When there are a couple of popular terms, I like to use one and put the other in ( ), so readers know it is the same thing.

Basically, you have to balance the proper usage with what is easily understood by most of the people reading it. If possible, try to do both at the same time, educating people along the way, as painlessly as possible!

 

[E. g. guttata]

I personally think that claiming a snake is het for a selectivly bred trait is wrong and misleading. Not only is it wrong due to the fact that it confuses the customer, and is genetically impossible to be het for such a look as crimson, but the usage of the english language is also being distorted. As was said earlier, "het" or "heterozygous" has a specific meaning. It basically means "having one of a pair of recessive genes", which does not apply to selectivly bred looks. It is true that many are in fact caused by a single (or in the cases of pink/green snows two) genetic mutations, but there has been extensive work with that mutation to make those snakes look a different way from other snakes with the same exact genetic mutation. I do like the idea of instead of using "het sunglow" stating "het amel from sunglow lines" or something similar. That is not misleading in the slightest and is still correct in both genetic terminology and english usage.

I have worked very hard to make sure that I know the selectively bred lines of each genetic mutation, and that I have their correct definitions. I have put many, if not all of these, on my site to help inform those that are both starting in corns, and those that have been involved with corns for many years, but get confused by misleading terminology, so this is kind of a touchy subject for me.

 

[Billybobob]

I think it's misleading although it can be "not wrong" in some cases. Let's take that Crimson Example. If you breed a Crimson to a Miami, you can expect Miamis het. Hypo - if you use het. Crimson instead of Hypo, it wouldn't be COMPLETELY WRONG.

It would not be correct either. I think i quoted this earlier but her it is again "All crimsons are hypo miamis but not all hypo miamis are crimsons". Crimsons have a rather distinct look when compared to regular hypo miamis so when crossing a miami to a crimson i still think that it would be wrong to call it het for crimson. Your line of reasoning would make a miami het amel that had one candycane parent het candycane and i don't think that is true.

As to the rest of the responses I also feel that it would be fine to say that it is from a selectively bred line such as normal het amel from candycane lines. Not one thing wrong with that.

 

[Serpwidgets]

It would not be correct either. I think i quoted this earlier but her it is again "All crimsons are hypo miamis but not all hypo miamis are crimsons". Crimsons have a rather distinct look when compared to regular hypo miamis so when crossing a miami to a crimson i still think that it would be wrong to call it het for crimson. Your line of reasoning would make a miami het amel that had one candycane parent het candycane and i don't think that is true.

As to the rest of the responses I also feel that it would be fine to say that it is from a selectively bred line such as normal het amel from candycane lines. Not one thing wrong with that.

I think Crimson is one of those "two uses" words like Okeetee. For some it means a specific type of hypo miami-y corn. For others, it is the same as hypo miami. So which is correct depends on which usage you are referring to. :santa:

There's a difference between "common sense usage" and "hypercorrect usage" and, like Menhir, I tend to side with common sense usage. This is of course a matter of opinion for everyone, so I'm not saying anyone is "wrong" to argue for hypercorrect usage.

For example, I do not have a problem with amel het snow. It makes sense as an abbreviation, and the only way to get confused/misled by it is to ignore common sense. It can be more useful than "amel het anery" in some situations and less useful in others, so I go with whichever is better for that individual case.

By the same token, I think Miami het crimson is a valid common sense usage, especially if it's applied to a pair that produces miamis and crimsons when bred together. In that way, it is not saying the snake is het for selective breeding. It's an abbreviated way of saying the snake is het for hypo, and while not hypercorrect, IMO it's not deceptive or flat-out wrong.

What I don't agree with is "normal het crimson" or "hypo het crimson" because these are using "het" specifically for the "selectively bred" part, which is not only "not hypercorrect," it's just plain wrong IMO.

 

[Billybobob]

Your right Serp. I am one of thouse people who get there own idea about a morph and then starts to forget that my definition is not the only one for some of the morphs out there. Like with miamis, some people concider corns with tan background miamis but i say they have to have grey or silver background and both are still correct(but i like mine better :grin01: ). So sorry Menhir I guess you are right by your definition. Although i still would not call them het for crimson unless you also explain what a crimson is because i could see allot of people selling snakes as poss. het. for crimson after breeding a het. crimson to a normal.