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Hogsnake Questions

Hognoses are rear-fanged, right? Like coral snakes? IIRC, coral snakes kinda have to chew on the prey to inject their venom. Same thing with a hognose? If my understanding is correct, I don't think I'm worried. Certainly not enough to stop me to get from getting a cute snake like one of these!
TBH if the Hog got me I may think about it......
If the Coral got me you'd be able to smell it.....:rolleyes:
 
TBH if the Hog got me I may think about it......
If the Coral got me you'd be able to smell it.....:rolleyes:

Oh, I know corals are dangerous. Grew up in FL. I always thought, wrongly I now know, that they had to chew to deliver their venom, so I was always less worried about seeing them than I was about rattlers, cottonmouths & copperheads, although I saw them all.
 
Actually I would suggest a pacman frog for those spare pinks! Lord knows our african bullfrog and pacman eat anything left over (up to adult mice) and they NEVER refuse! So get a subadult packman or african bull...and you are GOOD to go with easy care!

But get the hognose anyway..they are super cute!
 
I called the guy with the hognose. It's a female, about 12 inches, good eater. He is very cautious to make sure I understood it is a rear-fanged mildly venomous snake. He also has corns. I am gonna go over tomorrow & meet the snake. If he thinks the snake & I are OK once I meet him & the snake, I will bring it home! He wants $60 including viv & UTH.

Whee! My first snake of 2010.
 
Oh boy Oh boy!!
I love pics of these guys...I'm living through you a little bit, I hope you don't mind! lol
 
Hognoses are rear-fanged, right? Like coral snakes? IIRC, coral snakes kinda have to chew on the prey to inject their venom. Same thing with a hognose? If my understanding is correct, I don't think I'm worried. Certainly not enough to stop me to get from getting a cute snake like one of these!

Actually, coral snakes are Elapids. In fact, the Eastern Coral has quite a substantial toxicity, and can cause a very severe reaction. Fatalities have been recorded, and severe systemic reactions are common without antimicrurus or a similar monovalent antivenom...

Just an FYI...
 
Don't worry, Chris, I grew up in FL so I knew that coral snakes were quite dangerous. What I had apparently gotten wrong all those years ago was I thought corals were rear fanged & had to chew. Somebody corrected me on that. Since I ~had~ been correctly taught coral venom was quite toxic, I never tried to touch them, so my error on envenomation was not disastrous. I gather that hognoses are not truly dangerous hots, though.
 
Don't worry, Chris, I grew up in FL so I knew that coral snakes were quite dangerous. What I had apparently gotten wrong all those years ago was I thought corals were rear fanged & had to chew. Somebody corrected me on that. Since I ~had~ been correctly taught coral venom was quite toxic, I never tried to touch them, so my error on envenomation was not disastrous. I gather that hognoses are not truly dangerous hots, though.

I was more clarifying for the sake of those reading the thread. I just thought the toxicity of coral snakes should be clearly defined within the topic as quite dangerous. Personally, I';ve never had the pleasure of seeing one in the wild. I am going to Arizona this summer to look for some AZ corals, though...

Hoggies are not really dangerous. Any envenomation can be dangerous if you have a particularly bad reaction. But generally speaking...hoggies aren't dangerous. I let my 5 year old hold them...
 
Hognoses are rear-fanged, right? Like coral snakes? IIRC, coral snakes kinda have to chew on the prey to inject their venom. Same thing with a hognose? If my understanding is correct, I don't think I'm worried. Certainly not enough to stop me to get from getting a cute snake like one of these!

First of all, did you get the hognose?
Then, I thought it was somewhat funny, I had thought about getting a hognose, it was between that & a garter. I eventually decided on the garter, mainly because I didn't want to take the chance with the "warm" hognose, then found out about a month & a half ago that garters are a "warm" snake too & are mildly venomous. So much for that idea!
 
First of all, did you get the hognose?
Then, I thought it was somewhat funny, I had thought about getting a hognose, it was between that & a garter. I eventually decided on the garter, mainly because I didn't want to take the chance with the "warm" hognose, then found out about a month & a half ago that garters are a "warm" snake too & are mildly venomous. So much for that idea!

Garters aren't mildly venomous that I'm aware of. Their saliva may have some toxic properties that affect their prey, but they aren't "mildly venomous" in that they produce and inject a toxic substance through a system of glandular delivery.

Yea...there are a handful of people that will get some itchiness or redness after a gartersnake bite. But usually this is "cured" with a little soap, warm water, and hydrogen peroxide.

If you get chomped on by a hognose, your hand will swell quite a bit, you will have some localized pain, redness, possibly discharge. Certainly nothing to be concerned about beyond the ever-present threat of anaphylaxis, but a reaction to an injected toxin, none-the-less...like a really bad bee sting...
 
This article is actually more humorous, there was a serious article that I read too, but can't find it at the moment. However what this article is talking about is real. You can look up the name of the gland & get some more info on it.
http://www.anapsid.org/duvernoygland.html

Well, it's certainly interesting.

But...many colubrids have a Duvernoy's gland. In fact, about 35% or so of all known colubrids have a Duvernoy's gland that produces some form of protein based toxin. And I certainly wouldn't refer to 30-40% of colubrids as "mildly venomous"...would you?
 
I eventually decided on the garter, mainly because I didn't want to take the chance with the "warm" hognose, then found out about a month & a half ago that garters are a "warm" snake too & are mildly venomous. So much for that idea!

I've been bitten by hundreds of garter snakes. (Wild garters are a bitey snake!) I never experienced more than pinpricks of blood.

I _did_ cut my finger on an Eastern hoggy tooth- it bled very freely for a long time.
 
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