I don't care that your post re-itterated what was said KJ, in fact I value your EXPERIENCE particularly directly with these morphs! I know from Rob Stevens that you REALLY know your stuff and since even very large and well respected breeders didn't really give me a cut and dried answer to if you could ever get "clean" stripes back out from a motley/stripe breeding I figured that this thread might just add a little more to the pool of knowlege....
No problem....and I owe you an apology for being a part of the thread hijack. I mean it. I thought it was a good thread because her was a case where an unknown carrier with a good motley pattern spit out a fairly decent striped patterned offspring. It'll have good colors, so
congrats. Good cooking job there. Heck, I'm jealous - I don't even have any striped sunglows any more......lol.
As far as getting "clean" striped from motlies, what do you mean? In fear of repeating something already said, do you mean (1) a complete stripe from head to tail (which, obviously, is actually a goal that most fall short of), (2) ones without cross-overs forming those "cubed" looks, or (3) just a real stripe that isn't just a striped-motley pattern?
1 - heck, it is always a little lucky, I think, to get the best patterned stripeds even from stripeds. I don't BELIEVE the motley allele changes this any more than the normal patterned allele does. The selective breeding in its history for the "perfect" stripe will begin to determine that. In other words, the motely shouldn't change the completeness of the stripe. Other factors change that. Probably.....dozens or more things alter the degree of striping. I am not surprised if someone produced bad, mediocre, or perfect stripes from a motley or a normal. Perfect stripes are a BIG GEM, though.
2 - The "cubed" look by either commonly used definition is, well, confusing. Ask me in 2 years. I hope to have a working hypothesis then for at least ONE of the looks called "cubed." Since this seems random, but inheritable in a non-Medelian fashion, I will skip it for now. Sorry.
3 - If you mean can motleys produce REAL stripeds that aren't striped motleys? Sure. Just like normals can....as long as they are het for the striped allele, of course, and in perfect Mendelian proportions, too. I could show images from a couple of clutches from snow motley het stripe....but you wouldn't see the pattern since they are snows.
I did produce some near perfect,
almost head-to-tail, stripeds from that trio, though. I could give more examples, but this is the one that comes to mind since it is such a recent cross for me (CB07). Crossing the male to other females gave striped and motleys pretty much as you'd predict. Some were crappy stipeds and some were OK stripeds (none as good as the crosses where I bred him to his sister), but they WERE stripeds for sure.
Not sure if I discussed the topic you had in mind, but I tried......lol.
KJ
