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How to produce Hypo-Lavender-Bloodreds

Gregg

Ancient Elder
The Corn Snake Pit Style Recipe

(First, you'll have to produce triple hets. Here's how.)

Step 1 Obtain one hypo-lavender male and one bloodred female.

Step 2 Put them together after having brumated them for two to three months.

Step 3 Bake for a month in side the female. Then bake inside damp, long-fibered, sphagnum moss at 30 degrees celsius for two more months, or until noses appear.

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Thanks for the compliments. The bloodred is very red, but, to be honest, the flash tends to make it more so. If I'm lucky, then in three years, I'll give out the second half of my recipe: Making the actual Hypo-Lavender-Bloodred.
 
Thanks Carol.

You're right, Menhir, but it also depends on how many females I am willing to keep, e.g., 1.2, or 1.3, or 1.4, or 2.8. You get the picture. It brings the odds down. The problem is I can't seem to refuse someone's request to adopt a snake. I've given away a lot of things I wanted--and probably should have kept.

Well, xavusangel, my dear friend, I'll have hypos het for lavender this year, which is no big deal, anymore. I may have motley-opals, motley-lavenders, motley-butters, motley-caramels, and other such motley and striped stuff. I have been working on producing a motley-creamsicle-lavender. This year will be the triple het to triple het breeding stage, a 1 in 64 chance of all the traits coming together, as Menhir said; but who knows? Some of the "close-but-not-quites" aren't bad to have, like: motley-creamsicles, creamsicle-lavenders, motley-lavenders.
 
Gregg said:
Tit also depends on how many females I am willing to keep, e.g., 1.2, or 1.3, or 1.4, or 2.8. You get the picture. It brings the odds down.

Yes and no, the 1/64 is per egg behaviour. Having 64 bright and healthy eggs also include a chance of 36% of NOT getting any Hypo-Lav-Bloodred!
So, just pray to Murphy.
 
However right you wish to be,
Is perfectly fine with me, you see.
My point is: that of the three,
Any mix would be a boon to breed.

I'm a poet
And don't know it,
Say a rhyme
Every time.

Nevertheless, I don't pray to Murphy. Never have. Never will.

:crazy02:

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I breed for fun, not profit. So it matters little to me what shows up. I usually end up giving away the good stuff anyway.

For example: Two years ago, I bred together a triple het pair (amel, lavender, and motley) in the hopes to get a motley-lavender. I got my motley-lavender--a striped-motley-lavender, in fact--on the first breeding. Unfortunately, he lasted seven months before I found him dead in his box. I got one extra lavender, so I kept that, and one opal, which I gave away to Carol, because I thought she would appreciate having an opal more than I would.

The next year, I got three! Count 'em, three motley-lavenders. I didn't get any opals, nor motley-opals, but I did get an extra lavender female to go with the male from the year before. Now, I have a 1.1 pair of lavenders and a 1.1 pair of motley-lavenders. Bull's Eye!

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Now. I don't want it to sound like I'm being defensive, so let me write some gloom-n-doom, so the nay sayer's can be happy. I got a triple het male from a large, reputable breeder who swore it was a normal, het for ghost, and lavender. After three years of breeding with a silver queen, all I get is 50/50 normals and anerys. Obviously, he's not het for ghost. So, his he het for Lavender? Or am I just treading water? Who knows, until I have a lavender female freed up enough on which to waste some of his wiggle-tails.

Hold Up! Here's another one. I proved out a female, striped-motley-anery to be both a good producer and that she is het for amel. Yea!
So, I picked up a male, motley-striped-anery, het for amel, from another reputable breeder, so I could produce both striped and motley snows. After two years of breeding these two together--this year will be my third try--all I have been able to produce from them are dark black, hard-boiled eggs after a few weeks of incubation, even when she has double-clutched. Man, I wish I could make my females stop doing that. Anyway, It looks like my male may be shootin' blanks.

Or, how 'bout this one? I have a charcoal ghost female and a charcoal, zig-zag male with whom I've been trying to convince it would be a good idea to produce a clutch of eggs. Two years I've been trying to convince them. This will be my third year with them too. I proved her out two years straight with an anery male, before I got my charcoal male. Now, all she wants to do is demonstrate her ability to carry a fine string of eggs inside her for a couple of months before she re-absorbs them. Damned frustrating, that's what that is!


My point is: You got to be doing this for fun. Bending down and kissing Murphy's ass, because you "want" something is a waste of time. I say, "Go find a more worthy God's ass to kiss."

(Nothing personal, Menhir, I just dislike the superstitious belief in Murphy's Law.) :wavey:
 
Murphy can be harsh over here, but when he takes a day off it is soooo fun! Last year I bred a pair of triple hets (Hypo, Lavendar, Motley) together and got 3 Hypo Lav Mots in a clutch of 12! It was a bit discouraging when the female was attacked in the egg box by another hatchling and was fatally injured, but how could I complain with two males to grow up? I don't "pray" to Murphy, but I know I would never hold back just 1.4, around here, that is just asking for something to happen to the male. I'm a bit fond of a 2.4 ratio. In fact, I did the same exact breeding that Gregg has accomplished in this thread in 2003, and this year is the year my 2.4 will breed for me. So far two females have laid and I have 31 eggs. The two females left to breed are smaller than the first so I don't think I'll get another 31 out of them, let alone 33. There goes my 64 egg goal. However, I really don't think having 64 will really improve my changes a whole lot more than having 50 something.
I have to agree with Gregg, it's not as if the project is worthless unless you get that 1 in 64. I kind of giggled when people told me I was wasting my time trying to get a 1 in 64 animal. The way I see it if you don't get that animal I'm still stuck with....
A few pretty Normals that people would love to buy as long as the price is right, just so they can try their luck and be surprised.
Bloodreds :cool:
Hypos = Good wholesale bait
Lavenders :cool:
Hypo Bloodreds :cool:
Hypo Lavenders :cool:
Bloodred Lavenders :cool: :cool:
Am I forgetting anything? A Hypo Lav Blood would just be really great icing on the cake. I'm growing up a male Bloodred het Hypo and Lavender to increase my chances down the road, but in the meantime I'll take what these four throw at me. Plus it is really fun looking at a clutch of eggs when you have no idea what will pop out. Much more fun than the predictables.
 
Right on, Carol!

My bloodred came from a breeding in which her mother was 50% het for hypo, so who knows, maybe there'll be hypos in the mix.

Anyway, I'll believe it when I see. Nevertheless, this will test her for the hypo gene, if I get any babies at all, right?

bribrian: My Master's degree is in Celtic folklore and mythology. I spent two wonderful weeks there in Ireland back in 1980, getting wet exploring Pre-historic sites; that is, when I wasn't watching sheepdog trails, or drinking a Guiness, or a Jameson's, or and an Irish cofee. I'll tell you what, figure out how I can get one over there to you and I will from time to time.

:cheers:
 
Gregg said:
bribrian: My Master's degree is in Celtic folklore and mythology. I spent two wonderful weeks there in Ireland back in 1980, getting wet exploring Pre-historic sites; that is, when I wasn't watching sheepdog trails, or drinking a Guiness, or a Jameson's, or and an Irish cofee. I'll tell you what, figure out how I can get one over there to you and I will from time to time.

:cheers:

You'll know all about my namesake then, Brianboru.... :)
If i could find a way to get them here i would take you up on that kind offer & even stand you up a few pints of the 'black gold'.... :cheers: :wavey:
 
Hmm, I don't know what your issue is to write the long text. The topic was "How to produce Hypo-Lavender-Bloodred and all I'm saying is, that the chances are 1/64 doing it this way. I can't change that you don't seem to recognice the "praying to Murphy" as a joke, I can't change statistics and I wish you best luck.
Btw. I also wish best luck to me, cause I'm currently raising het. Amel, Lav, Bloodred - but I don't see this as a good way to start a project on OpalBloods.

:rolleyes:
 
I'm sorry, Menhir.

It's a simple misunderstanding, my German engineered friend. Apparently, you also mistook my Title "How to Produce Hypo-Lavender-Bloodreds?" as not being a title, as one find sometimes in recipes, but my asking a question for someone's help, which I wasn't doing at all.

You're right. I misunderstood your suggestion to pray to Murphy's Law, as being an actual suggestion. My big.

Thanks also for going out of your way to point out the 1/64 thingy. After six years, and only six years, of breeding corn snakes, working with Mick's Corn Snake Progeny Predictor, and trying to fathom Serpwiget's scientific ground work, it's nice to have had someone point this out to me, finally.


:cheers:
 
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