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I am getting a reptile room!!!!!
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Jynx
Digger, RN
Reptile addict...I am not going to jump down your throat like some other people did here, because I jumped into snakes too. But in the name of the animals wlfare...slow down. I'm sure even you can see how rediculous a snake drowing is. The good thing is that you have animals that are somewhat easy to care for, however from some of the posts I've read here, the mistakes that you have made could have been easily avoided with reserch. Now, I understand that we all have to learn from mistakes, but there are sensible mistakes and there are dumb ones. I really don't want you to take this personally, because we all have to learn somehow...none of use had a clue what we were doing when we started. But almost every single one of us did research, or called on the advise of an expert. The only reason I say this is because the petty mistakes that you have made with one or two snakes...can you imagine if you made the same mistake with a room full of reptiles? Now I am a firm believer of learning by doing...but for the sake of your animals well-being, learn a little first, Keeping frogs is easy. Again, for the sake of your animals, don't base the ease of husbandry by a frog. Remember that these reptiles rely soley on us to care for them, and even the expert will make a mistake sometimes, but to endanger the quality of life of you reptiles just because you "don't know" is unacceptable. This is just my advice, and again I hope you did not take it as an attack. Master the ones you have before you get more. Think of the well being of your reptiles. Experience will come, as will knowledge, the awesome finds, the double clutches, the $2000 a month breeding return, etc etc...but start first with something you KNOW you can do before you kill the ones you have.
I myself have always wanted to breed Green Tree Pythons, however even after 12 years of caring for reptiles (Me caring for them...not mommy and daddy) and 6 years of breeding, I myself am not knowledgeable to take on that project yet. With the reptiles that I already have, I can't guarentee that they will have perfect conditions, so I won't even try it. There are limits, and we all must know our own or our reptiles, which we work so hard for, no matter how much or how little we know, will suffer the consequences....not us.
I myself have always wanted to breed Green Tree Pythons, however even after 12 years of caring for reptiles (Me caring for them...not mommy and daddy) and 6 years of breeding, I myself am not knowledgeable to take on that project yet. With the reptiles that I already have, I can't guarentee that they will have perfect conditions, so I won't even try it. There are limits, and we all must know our own or our reptiles, which we work so hard for, no matter how much or how little we know, will suffer the consequences....not us.
reptile_addict
New member
I have my mom, dad, brother, sister, and me all available to help me. And also a couple of reptile breeders that keep all different kinds of animals. I read for about a year before getting a corn snake and 3 months before a blood. I asked NERD and got help with a cage set up. I only researched kings and house snakes for about 1 month because they are alot like corns. The water bowl was my fault. I had too small of hole in it. I know it was a stupid mistake and I feel like a simple dumb ass for it. I messed up. I am keeping some of the simplist animals and I am still learning. WE ALL MESS UP!!!!
how many more times will you mess up though, if you researched 3 months before getting a corn i dont think you would have found anywhere that said they should have a lid with a small hole on their water dish, just because you have access to alot of daddy money doesnt mean you have to keep collecting stuff wait until you are older and more knowledgeable about the ones you already have.
As JoeJr14 said, it is not best to keep snakes and other small rodents in the same room together. If you do so, you should be very cautious and make sure that there are no areas where your snake could get out. If they can, it could result in death of your rodent(s).
Also, if you are going to try to heat the whole room are you sure you will want the chinchillas in there? They can die from overheating.
uke01:
Ryan aka Fergie
Also, if you are going to try to heat the whole room are you sure you will want the chinchillas in there? They can die from overheating.
uke01: Ryan aka Fergie
fergie said:Also, if you are going to try to heat the whole room are you sure you will want the chinchillas in there? They can die from overheating.
if he's only heating a room to +-85, chinchillas would have no problem. Heck, living in florida my house naturally gets that hot in the summers...and its usually comfortable for me.
countMEout
New member
Hey Mosdef why not try being helpful instead of seeing how many ways you can insult somebody. Seeing as there are already a number of reptiles owned see how the best can be made of the situation instead of wondering when they will all die. This website is for helping people and building community not a website to mock anyone who has made a mistake. Everyone try to be a little more kind and if you have to be that "rough" with your words private message the person with your comment.
sorry, hopefully someones words will make him/her realize they need to make sure they can take care of the pets they already have before they go out and get pets that are not even close to as easy as looking after snakes he/she is having die. (2 i believe in a week) monitors are a hell of alot different than snakes...the harsh words are in the best interest of the animals sorry
Jynx
Digger, RN
mosdef said:
Some people may think that they are harsh but here's the thing: this forum is all for helping people out BECAUSE our best interests are in the animals. Now some of us have different ways of approaching this, be it tip-toeing on eggshells or bluntly throwing it in someones face. Sometimes, in order to get a point across for the sake of the animals, you HAVE to be as blunt and unpleasant as possible, just so it will sink in. As much as we are here to help, if we see something that needs to be addressed, we address it no matter what our methods are (after all, thats why we're here)...In this case a novice that I personally believe is taking on too much. Now I am very sure he is capable of caring for the animals, however the horror stories we keep hearing are very unnerving. I know I am approaching this from what you could say is a mother aspect. This will sound harsh, but I could care less is Rep Addict is eating well, or staying warm, as long as the animals are ok. Thats just how I am though...my animals eat before me. Again, they rely completely on us, and if we choose to have them for the sake of having them, and don't learn the necessary husbandry information, then we are condeming these animals to death, which is not fair. When it comes to situations like these, there is no such thing as "being too harsh" CountMEout.
So Rep addict...I want to help you out. I'm sure everyone else here wants to see your animals healthy and have a good quality of life. (come on guys...) Explain to me your husbandry methods, and we'll see if there's some advice we can give you as far as making some changes to the way you care for them, or whatever and see if we can help them all live a little longer. I stand by my advice in saying that I think you need to master these guys first before you start filling up your room, but if you are that adamant, I can't force you to chill out...but I can offfer my experience.
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countMEout
New member
it wasn't just you I was referring to. I just think it is so ridiculous that people are so quick to make comments, not read the whole messages and reask questions. So please make comments turn negativity into positive or at least word it correctly as to make someone never come to this site again. Jynx is a great example of being thoughtful and not writing one sentance. I do agree that snakes dying at all is terrible and it being from ignorance is terrible. But should we not help and be preventative instead of blaming and casting the person off as a murderer.
ok you may have just taken it a little far with the acusation of anyone calling him a murderer. do you agree that if someone is drowning cornsnakes who has researched them for 3 months should be going out and making their reptile collection way more intense with alot harder animals to look after. countMEout i dont think that you understand that this young boy should probably not be getting more reptiles until he is able to get the ones he has under control. i am in no position nor am i going to make any effort to stop him, i just hope maybe by people sharing their experiences maybe he will realize that he should take another year or 2 and perfect the ones he has. i am unemployed as i am a seasonal worker and i spend at least 3 hours a day with my beardies and water dragon and snakes, i would not dare take on anymore, because i would now the quality of life i could give the animals would diminish. so please stop with your accusations of people calling this poor kid a murderer, once again i only care about the animals, they depend and rely on the care we can give them, and that fact only.
CAV
Dazed and Cornfused
It isn't that simple cMo
Your acting like this was a one-time event. Unfortunately you are neglecting to take into account the dozen threads started by Reptile Addict addressing the exact topics which have now impacted his collection. In each and every case, the members of this forum responded with gentle hints and sound advice. Despite the guidance he was given, the lad plowed ahead and completely disregarded those kind words. Did it cost him anything? Not really, but those animals have now paid with their lives.
IMO, the time for niceties has come and gone. That method was tried repeatedly and those attempts fell on deaf ears.
countMEout said:
Your acting like this was a one-time event. Unfortunately you are neglecting to take into account the dozen threads started by Reptile Addict addressing the exact topics which have now impacted his collection. In each and every case, the members of this forum responded with gentle hints and sound advice. Despite the guidance he was given, the lad plowed ahead and completely disregarded those kind words. Did it cost him anything? Not really, but those animals have now paid with their lives.
IMO, the time for niceties has come and gone. That method was tried repeatedly and those attempts fell on deaf ears.
Itsnowingcorns
Stuffy Brit
Did you fill the tupaware with so much water that he can't lift his head above the water?? And how big was the hole? I'm sorry but you just don't seem responsible enough to be able to handle a whole snake room if one of your snakes has just died from a 'dangerous' water bowl that you provided it.
TrpnBils
22 is not enough snakes
Not 3 months....an entire YEAR...go back to post #23 and check it out. The 3 months was for the blood python. That just kinda makes me wonder exactly what this "research" involved or where the idea of a water dish with a lid on it came from in the first place.mosdef said:
Packerfan4
New member
i agree with the ppl above...YOU SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF REPTILE
reptile_addict said:
I'm wondering if you've thought about what you'll do when you go to school, or move into an apartment that won't allow pets :shrugs: I only ask, because I haven't heard you address this yet and wonder if you've thought about it. Trust me, I have the 'bug' like so many others, but learned the hard way that I can't rely on others to be responsible in my absence. It's a little like having kids. It will always ultimately be up to you.
As for your age, I believe that Simon started breeding when he was in his teens and has been very successful. I wonder if you should talk to someone like him.
Just my 2 cents folks...
princess
Cornaholic
Addict,
I'd like to ask a few questions please.
1. I understand you've been keeping reptiles since you were 7, so have I but how old are you now?
2. Tegu's are powerful monitor lizards aren't they? They have sharp claws and teeth and aren't really 'cuddly'. What is your reason for wanting them?
I got this from a care sheet online-
'Tegus are awesome animals to have but require a lot of responsibility and money$$. Maintenance: Takes a fair bit of time but after a while it gets to be routine. '
Are you looking for something in particular from this animal?
3. What are your goals with your reptile room? Do you want to eventually be a large scale breeder? Are these all to be display animals?
4. Are the rodents to be pets or feeders? Are you prepared to keep up with all the cleaning that keeping a colony of feeders requires?
5. I'm assuming you're a student. What happens when you want to go off on a holiday/spring break? -or off to college? I was just away for 3 days and had to do a pretty intensive stint of 'work' to get everything ready for my 10 snakes to be comfortable....how many are you after in the end? -or if you have a heavy study load and can't give the 3+ hours a day to maintaining a large collection? -what suffers then? You'r marks, freetime or your animals?
6. A large collection will require somewhat greater funds (to feed, heat, house, replace UV tubes for the lizards, etc). Mummy and daddy I'm sure will expect you to contribute to the elevated electricity bills if you're running heating all year round and they can't be expected to be buying mice etc for you all the time. Do you have a job? Do you have time for a job? Are you willing to sink all your income into your reptile room?
7. You say you have the help of your family who know about reptiles but 2 snakes died in almost as many days in your (collective) care. What's to say this doesn't happen again?
8. You say you put in so much research but then I draw your attention to this thread you started... http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18430
...Asking such basic questions doesn't sound like you really did much reasearch does it?
I might sound a little critical of you but like other members of this forum, I'm much more interested in seeing the animals kept well (not just kept alive) so I think it's fair you answer these questions for all of us, not just me.
Thanks in advance,
Adèle
I'd like to ask a few questions please.
1. I understand you've been keeping reptiles since you were 7, so have I but how old are you now?
2. Tegu's are powerful monitor lizards aren't they? They have sharp claws and teeth and aren't really 'cuddly'. What is your reason for wanting them?
I got this from a care sheet online-
'Tegus are awesome animals to have but require a lot of responsibility and money$$. Maintenance: Takes a fair bit of time but after a while it gets to be routine. '
Are you looking for something in particular from this animal?
3. What are your goals with your reptile room? Do you want to eventually be a large scale breeder? Are these all to be display animals?
4. Are the rodents to be pets or feeders? Are you prepared to keep up with all the cleaning that keeping a colony of feeders requires?
5. I'm assuming you're a student. What happens when you want to go off on a holiday/spring break? -or off to college? I was just away for 3 days and had to do a pretty intensive stint of 'work' to get everything ready for my 10 snakes to be comfortable....how many are you after in the end? -or if you have a heavy study load and can't give the 3+ hours a day to maintaining a large collection? -what suffers then? You'r marks, freetime or your animals?
6. A large collection will require somewhat greater funds (to feed, heat, house, replace UV tubes for the lizards, etc). Mummy and daddy I'm sure will expect you to contribute to the elevated electricity bills if you're running heating all year round and they can't be expected to be buying mice etc for you all the time. Do you have a job? Do you have time for a job? Are you willing to sink all your income into your reptile room?
7. You say you have the help of your family who know about reptiles but 2 snakes died in almost as many days in your (collective) care. What's to say this doesn't happen again?
8. You say you put in so much research but then I draw your attention to this thread you started... http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18430
...Asking such basic questions doesn't sound like you really did much reasearch does it?
I might sound a little critical of you but like other members of this forum, I'm much more interested in seeing the animals kept well (not just kept alive) so I think it's fair you answer these questions for all of us, not just me.
Thanks in advance,
Adèle