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I think my new snake regurgitated.

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noshibby

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So I'm sure this topic has been near beaten to death, however there seems to be no real good pictures of what a regurge vs what a poop looks like. However I'm pretty sure my new baby corn snake regurgitated his meal after 3-1/2 Days.

I fed him/her on wednesday and I went to check on it yesterday, so I lifted it's hide and saw that there was still a bulge. A few hours later I noticed it wasn't in it's hide anymore but this: *Warning graphic* was.

Temps are 72 on the cold side and 85 on the warm side, heated by an UTH with a "lamp dimmer" to control temps.

He chose to hide out on the cold side after eating for some reason which I believe was the cause of the slow digestion, but I didn't really want to try and coax him into the warm side.

And now that, that was left he has moved over to the warm side.


Thanks for any insight you may provide.
 
Deffinitely looks like a regurge to me. Do a search for the regurge protocol and follow it to a T. How big is the viv? Might be he is one of the sensative ones that needs a smaller viv until he is a little bigger. Also do you have a hide at the half way point in between the warm and cool ends? He might prefer the temps in that area but not feel safe.
 
It will seem huge when they are little. Even a ten would do good with a middle ground hide. Best I have ever had for itty bitty guys like that is a toilet paper tube half full of bedding.
 
I see your point that there are no pictures of regurges compared to poop. When one of my babies regurged I took a comparison picture.

Definitely follow the regruge protocol. Unfortunatley though some hatchlings just aren't ment for this world. Mine wasn't, she had a weight gaining problem though and died just 3 weeks after her regurge though she did eat after and seemed active. I wasn't prepared for this so I just thought I would throw that out there. Not trying to scare you because most do fine on the protocol but I wish someone would have mentioned it to me, the possibility of not making it.

So here are those pictures, all regurges look a little different though. This first is the regurge and the second is the poop from the same time.
 

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I believe that is a regurge. I would follow the regurge protocol listed on this site. Not sure if you followed this, but make sure to limit handling after feeding (at least 48hours)
 
Johan13 said:
I believe that is a regurge. I would follow the regurge protocol listed on this site. Not sure if you followed this, but make sure to limit handling after feeding (at least 48hours)
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I didn't touch it at all, only thing I did on the third day was lifted the rock hide to make sure it wasnt dead. then later that day I noticed it moved and then under the rock was the regurge
 
...and it hadnt regurged when I lifted the rock to check on it, so maybe by lifting it I stressed it out to regurge
 
noshibby said:
...and it hadnt regurged when I lifted the rock to check on it, so maybe by lifting it I stressed it out to regurge
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I doubt that cause i check on mine everyday whether he is digesting or not, i still check on him and lift the hide. That pinky doesn't look too big (one and a half times the largest part of the snake) so i don't thin that would be the reason either, it didn't look like it was digested good for being in there 3.5 days... maybe it regurged cause it wasn't digesting right? i don't know what would cause the bad digestion besides heat though.. The regurge protocal is a must though
 
I agree it's a regurge. I also agree that a toilet paper tube in the middle of the tank would be a good idea. you can straddle the edge of the UTH. From what I understand, a regurge destroys all of the digestive juices and it takes about 10 days for them to recharge, so the worse thing you can do is try to feed too soon. If those juices aren't recharged, it will happen again, which could be fatal. Also, make sure your pinkie is fully thawed, and warm when you finally do feed again. Good luck and let us know how your little guy does.
 
noshibby said:
I didn't touch it at all, only thing I did on the third day was lifted the rock hide to make sure it wasnt dead. then later that day I noticed it moved and then under the rock was the regurge
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Id make sure to dbl check your temps. Is it possible that your getting some temp flucs when your sleeping? Does your therm record highest and lowest temps over a given period?
 
oh i'm near positive my temps fluctuate at night time, its hard to keep it constant, the temperature here lately was +10 Celsius one day, then -32 the next, stupid Alberta.

no my thermometer doesn't do that, i'll probably wait and just get a decent thermocouple that will adjust automatically for changing atmospheric conditions.
 
In the pictures from Tinkerbeller, the poop has the white, grits-looking substance along with the poop. Would a regurge ever be accompanied with this stuff? Or if you see this stuff, can you assume it was a healthy poop?
 
The white stuff is urates and is part of normal poop. You won't see it in a regurge.
 
Well, good news I refed and this time he didn't regurgitate!

I ended up just cutting the head off the pinky.

I noticed today he pooped, however he also still has a bulge where the mouse was which is kind of unusual.
 
noshibby said:
Well, good news I refed and this time he didn't regurgitate!

I ended up just cutting the head off the pinky.

I noticed today he pooped, however he also still has a bulge where the mouse was which is kind of unusual.
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Well lets hope he keeps it down. Id recommend getting a therm that measures temp flux. I think this could have been the problem
 
Well, he regurged after 4 days this time.

The weird thing is after the regular 48 hours the bulge is considerably smaller.

and he took a poop about 36 hours after eating.

all he seems to regurge is the skin, he digests everything inside it seems.
 
I think the temps need to be sorted first, then see if you still have the problem afterwards. A UTH + thermostat will keep things constant, although presumably your home is warm enough for you overnight, so any fluctuations shouldn't be anywhere near as extreme as the outside temps.
 
How long did you wait after the first regurge? More than 2 in a row starts to seriously affect the snake's survival chances. At least 10 days (I'd go for 14, personally) from the second regurge I'd say to try a pinky head. In the meantime, check and recheck for temperature fluctuations. A digital thermometer with min/max readings would be helpful if you haven't got one already
Edited to add, what were the maximum temperatures?
 
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