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I'm Doomed.

When snakes escape, if they're not found it's them that are doomed, not the owner. I can't pretend I haven't had escapes, but luckily I found them easily and quickly. I worked out the the tubs I thought were secure could be pushed open by a determined snake despite their 'locking' rims. I hope you do find your pets soon and have them in more secure housing.
 
tyflier said:
What it "proves" is that there is a re-current theme for you. This is your motis operandii. This IS what you do...you post threads, seek drama, accuse, lie, belittle, insult, and pretend that you can do no wrong. It's only a matter of time before it happens here, there, and everywhere else...
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Was this thread seeking drama? No
Did I lie in this thread? No
And did I pretend I can do no wrong? Once again, no, and to all of those things.
This escape was my fault, I know that. In fact whenever one of my snakes escapes it is my fault. It's not the snakes...
I asked for advice, on how to find my snakes not create unnecessary drama. And I have yet to insult anyone, have I? Telling somebody to stop is insulting? Nope.
 
I don't believe that Chris was trying to insult you so much as point out an underlying issue with your husbandry that you might want to address before considering the purchase of another snake. What he was referring to with the "you can do no wrong" statement was that you have continually verbally prodded people on this forum and others when they make the slightest mistake and that maybe it would yield a better result for you and the person inquiring if you would address it from the standpoint of, "Hey, i've made that mistake before and now I can share my knowledge and own experience with others."

If I'm not addressing the points correctly Chris please correct me, and SnakesRule I am not trying to attack you in any way, shape, or form here. I am just trying to help interpret Chris's statements as best I can for you because I feel that you've misunderstood him.
 
Payton has done an excellent job of interpreting my intentions.

SnakesRule, as I said earlier...I am really not trying to be a jerk in this matter. What I AM trying to do is point out to you exactly how your actions have been interpreted by others.

I have seen you, on numerous occasions, belittle and insult people for making minor mistakes with their own husbandry. I have seen you accuse people of providing horrible care, and insult the manner in which people tend their animals publicly because if minor variations or mistakes in their techniques. I have seen you insult people and generally make people feel horrible for little, tiny things on several occasions. You will recall that everytime I see it, I point it out to you as being "harsh"...but you never get the point.

And so now, here, in this topic, where you have admitted to making several outstanding mistakes...I am pointing out to you again the manner in which you have treated people.

Can you honestly tell me that you DON'T act "high and mighty" towards other people? Because I can honestly provide links to several occasions when you have. Can you honestly tell me that you HAVEN'T belittled, lied and insulted others? Because I can provide you with links showing where you have. Can you honestly tell me that you HAVEN'T made life threatening choices regarding your own snakes, and even taken the life of your own snake rather than deal with vetrinary bills and travel to the vet? Because again...I can provide links where you have admitted to such.

The bottom line is this...IMO, you have shown numerous occasions where your husbandry has been seriously lacking to the point of causing fatal and life-threatening circumstances for your snakes. On even more occasions you have taken such a voracious stand against others for mistakes so tiny and easy to fix in comparison to your own that it is absolutely impossible to concieve of your audacity.

My whole intention, initially, in this thread was to point out to you that you are not "doomed"...you make bad choices. Claiming "I'm Doomed" when every instance has been controllable, preventable, and entirely faulty of your own accord is quite ironic, isn't it?

I believe that had someone else created this topic, you would have been the very first person screaming at the top of your lungs about how wrong it is to co-hab, and how they should have known better than to put more snakes in a tank that they know snakes have escaped from in the past. And you would NOT have been nice about it. You would have insulted them and insulted their husbandry, and stopped just short of name-calling. This is the manner in which I have seen you react to mistakes from others before.

Yet...since it is YOUR mistake, rather than take responsibility for it, you claim "I'm Doomed"...which is precisely why I made my initial post in exactly the manner I did.

But rather than read my post, claim responsibility, and leave it alone, you have spent 2 pages trying to justify your past mistakes, and pretend that the things you have done were not a big deal, and should simply be forgotten. The way you acted in ALL of those Fauna threads is simply unforgivable, IMO.

You can accept what I am saying to you, make changes to the way you treat people, start showing respect for others, and become an asset to this and other online communities, or you can ignore what I am saying, pretend the things you have done are "no big deal", and continue on in the same manner with which you have conducted yourself thus far.

The reality is...I don't care either way. But so far...you actions and activities have resulted in your being banned from several different forums. A change in attitude *might* just make the rest of your tenure a bit easier, if you would get off of your high horse and listen to a few people, don't you think?

And I will let you know right now...I will never forget about the Fauna posts I have seen from you, and I will never "forgive and forget" the manner in which you treated those poor businesses, and the people that wanted nothing more than to help you. Your actions in those instances are unforgivable, IMO.

But a change in attitude towards everyone else from here on in could go a long way towards changing ALOT of opinions about who you are vs. who you claim to be...
 
I made a blog on Reptile Geeks explaining the whole thing...
I'm not good at the whole "making sense" thing, but I tried to be as organized with my writing as possible.
Also, it's kind of like a rant.. I don't know...
 
SnakesRule1234 said:
I made a blog on Reptile Geeks explaining the whole thing...
I'm not good at the whole "making sense" thing, but I tried to be as organized with my writing as possible.
Also, it's kind of like a rant.. I don't know...
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That's good. You're taking some responsibility for your posts on Fauna. It is definitely a step in the right direction, and I applaud your effort hus far. But it shouldn't be the end for you...

THIS topic, and the things I have said in here...were not really about the Fauna "incident". This particular topic is about other things...it's about the attitude you have displayed towards others. Yes...it includes the things you did and said at Fauna, but it is more than that...It is the manner in which you present yourself.

You weren't banned from Freedom because of your posts on Fauna. Do you think I am the only person that finds your arrogance and insulting attitude wrong and unnecessary? Do you think I am the only person that finds you insulting and derogatory towards other members of various forums?

You have a bad attitude. When it comes to other people's mistakes, you take it upon yourself to be judge, jury, and prosecutioner. There is no reason for that...

Yes...the posts on Fauna contributed to your being banned. But had you been upstanding and respectful at Freedom...you might have only been warned to not allow those sorts of things to happen the way they did at Fauna. But you weren't upstanding and respectful at Freedom. You were arrogant, insulting, condescending, and rude. Couple that WITH the posts from Fauna, and I seriously cannot blame Dale for banning you. He stopped what was YOUR bad reputation from becoming HIS bad reputation. He "nipped it in the bud", as it were. You can't fault him for protecting his site...

And Freedom isn't the only site you have been banned from, is it? I won't mention names, but there is at least one other site that you have been permanantly banned from DIRECTLY due to your insulting and disrepsectful behavior, isn't there? And that happened before the Fauna incident, didn't it?

So...take the next step. Lose your attitude. Start treating people with respect, because we ALL deserve it. I said this to you before(and you replied with a derogatory comment towards others:rolleyes:)...There isn't a member here that can't learn something from another member. That includes you.

Stop being so judgemental of others. Stop being so arrogant in your knowledge. Stop being so "holier than thou" when you respond to other people.

Stop blaming your banning from Freedom on a few posts at Fauna. That is only a small part of the reason. You were banned from Freedom because of YOUR attitude, and the way YOU behaved. You were walking a very fine line...Dale simply didn't give you a chance to cross it. He stopped you before you went too far there like you did in the other places...
 
tyflier said:
You weren't banned from Freedom because of your posts on Fauna. Do you think I am the only person that finds your arrogance and insulting attitude wrong and unnecessary? Do you think I am the only person that finds you insulting and derogatory towards other members of various forums?
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I asked Dale about this, and he just said that he read over the Fauna thread and didn't want me part of the community. I made only 2 posts? that I remember telling a member to "stfu" and something else.. It was arrogant and I was reminded to chill and I did.

You have a bad attitude. When it comes to other people's mistakes, you take it upon yourself to be judge, jury, and prosecutioner. There is no reason for that...
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I do have a bad attitude at times, and I am trying to work on that... And I have to say I am a hypocrite beause of it...


And Freedom isn't the only site you have been banned from, is it? I won't mention names, but there is at least one other site that you have been permanantly banned from DIRECTLY due to your insulting and disrepsectful behavior, isn't there? And that happened before the Fauna incident, didn't it?
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Yeah, I was banned from bp.net... but not because of my behavior when I posted...
 
SnakesRule1234 said:
I asked Dale about this, and he just said that he read over the Fauna thread and didn't want me part of the community. I made only 2 posts? that I remember telling a member to "stfu" and something else.. It was arrogant and I was reminded to chill and I did.
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Ok, you may not like this but I am going to be Blunt and straight to the point. Shut up and listen, and don't post until you can restrain yourself and your mouth. You have damaged your reputation in this industry. Yes, you are just a kid and I do mean child but many breeders read these forums and probably will not do business with you because of this. Breeders talk, we all know each other and many of the people in the herp world are really good people. They do not need their names trashed around like you did at Fauna.

You hurt your reputation but spouting off your mouth and not paying attention. You have done stupid mistakes with your pets and whined about it on these Forums. It’s an endless cycle, you have not learned squat yet, realize that before you post. You are not mature as you think you are when you react. So before you find your self Black Listed, Google that term or ask your parents what that means if you do not know, be quiet and listen to the experienced people here at Corn snakes.com.

Sorry, I am tired to many children playing experts spouting bad information and claiming it’s good. We do not need the blind leading the blind.
Chris, aka tyflier, knows his stuff. He is trying to steer you in the right direction but you are not listening to him. Please listen to the man, he is a good guy. I have been doing herps for the last 30 years and still consider myself inexperienced. I listen to this man and welcome any advice he can give to me, please follow along.
 
Snakesrule--
You still don't seem to get it. I am not going to sit here and argue about why you were banned from Freedom. Suffice it to say that it was not a decision that Dale made in a matter of seconds. I will NOT go into details, and I will NOT provide further information beyond that...do not ask.

I WILL say that I fully support Dale in the decision that he made, and I wholeheartedly agree with his decision before, during and since it was made. This thread is just one more supporting factor FOR that decision.

Further...I understand why you were banned from BP.net...do you? Think really hard before you answer that question...

How can you sit here and justify and rationalize three different incidences on three different forums and STILL not understand that the only common denominator in all of your internet "problems" is you?

Please...wake up. Stop it. Stop being so darn childish. I am honestly trying to help you. If you don't get that...I don't know what else to say...


Trickster-
Thank you for the kind words. The feeling is definitely mutual. I can't fathom what information I could offer that you don't already have, but I appreciate your vote of confidence. It really means alot to me...
 
I think you should try to focus on your life first, and only keep one pet snake or something. I know you love them, but you said you're in debt for borrowing money. Maybe you can try to move to another area, with better jobs? You don't sound like you're in a good stage in your life right now to keep more snakes, nor animals IMO.
You're just really irresponsible, sorry if it sounds harsh but that's what it sounds like.


I know how that feels, heck I've had that happen many times, but I always did what I could. I KNOW it is not expensive to buy 2 shoe boxes, you don't even need heat as long as the temp. in the house is fine.
You ARE being irresponsible for not doing what's best for your animals and still thinking "They are ok," which they're not.

Thes are 2 things you said to me before..

I dont want to add to things but try not to be such a hypocrite in future.. I may have been cohabbing my snakes but at least they are still around, in separate tubs and doing really great.
 
My opinion is, if you can't afford to take an animal to the vet, in an emergency, you can't afford to have that animal.
 
Nanci said:
My opinion is, if you can't afford to take an animal to the vet, in an emergency, you can't afford to have that animal.
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I completely agree with this and just because I owed my boyfriend money at the time - didnt mean I couldnt afford a vet.. My guys are better looked after than me.. Lol - I bought extremely over priced raspberries today as a treat for my beardie :uhoh:
 
Plus, if you have a regular relationship with the vet- he sees your animals for preventative medicine, he's more likely to float you a loan if you have an expensive emergency and let you make payments.
 
Our vet is great - they have a number of people practising there so when my sisters new puppy got sick - they clocked up a huge bill and the vet gave major discount and let them pay over 2 months..

I know them well because I am always dropping off fecal samples to check for parasites in the beardies..

Also my boyfriends ball python had a suspected R.I and the vet was so thorough.. He sorted him out in no time. The best part - I can take all 4 of my corn snakes for a check up and get charged for just one consultation - depending on what they have to do.

Its not hard to find people who care more about your animals than your cash.. There were times when I forgot money and they let me come back the next day to pay.
 
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