interest in het normals

[MADMAN]

but when a corn snake is advertised in a store it is usually advertized as "a good starter snake" although prices do vary between them ( the nicer it looks the more expensive it is) i don't think the consumer really cares what genes they have it would depend on what they want to spend .

when i bought my okeetees i bought them because they were the cheapest of all the corns that the reptile store had

i would think that all this het hyp morph stuff only matters to breeders

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Their is a big difference between retail and hobby sales. Those that sell at a retail store acquire corns at very low prices (normals at $8/ea, amels at $10/ea, etc.). If you are selling them to a pet store (or from a pet store), then hets don't matter. They don't care. They only care for the expressed morph. Now, for those selling the animals for hobby purposes, the hets do matter (for the most part). If you are selling them just to people as pets, then don't tell them they're het for anything. If you are selling them with the potential for the buyer to breed, be specific about what you are selling.

 

[KatieL]

but when a corn snake is advertised in a store it is usually advertized as "a good starter snake" although prices do vary between them ( the nicer it looks the more expensive it is) i don't think the consumer really cares what genes they have it would depend on what they want to spend .

True, but there are a lot of people out there who have just one snake and are interested in breeding it to something that will produce interesting results. The hets provide a less expensive way to do this. It's not only important to the big breeders, its useful to us little guys too.

However, if you're getting a snake purely for the purpose of a pet (not breeding), then I'd probably agree that hets are not necessarily important in that case.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I'm not at all trying to say that I personally think hets are not important. I label all of what I sell as exactly what they are. Whether they be normals het for anery a and amel or lavenders het for hypo. I believe in disclosing all information on the animals genetics.

 

[Serpwidgets]

I'm trying to figure this one out:

Person A is capable of understanding that a pair of normals is het for amel, anery, and hypo. They are also capable of understanding that the results of breeding those two will include amels, anerys, hypos, ghosts, snows, yadda.

However, this same person who understands all of the above, is simultaneously going to be confused by the usage of "ghost" to refer to the combination of hypo/anery, and "snow" for the combination of anery/amel.

:shrugs:

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When I want to multiply a number by 999, I do not multiply by 9, multiply by 90, multiply by 900, and then add those three numbers to get to the answer. Instead, I throw 3 zeroes on the end and then subtract the original number. Am I "doing it wrong?" (Some of my math teachers seemed to think so because I didn't show the "work" they wanted to see. ) Is it "999x" or "1000x - x?" Aren't they the same thing?

When I am crossing two amels het for anery together, it is easier to think of them as "amels het snow" in that instance because there will not be any "just anery" offspring coming from the clutch. Are they more or less confusing as "amel het anery," or "amel het snow?"

It depends on what you're crossing, and how the math works out in your head.

Personally, I would list a normal het amel/anery/lavender as "Normal het amel/anery/lavender (snow/opal)" and I would list a normal het amel/anery/hypo as "Normal het amel/anery/hypo (ghost/snow)" because this includes any potentially relevant information.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Personally, I would list a normal het amel/anery/lavender as "Normal het amel/anery/lavender (snow/opal)" and I would list a normal het amel/anery/hypo as "Normal het amel/anery/hypo (ghost/snow)" because this includes any potentially relevant information.

That's exactly how I do it too, Serp! That way their are no questions about what you could possibly produce with such an animal. :spinner:

 

[Hurley]

Yeah, I usually lable as:

Anery het amel, 67% poss het hypo
[het snow, poss het ghost]

I put the combos on a second line to separate it out, but the info is there for people that don't quite get the combos and their makeup. I do like to list the potentials because it stimulates people to learn the combos and it shows what the animal is capable of producing.

 

[Serpwidgets]

To answer the original question, hets can be advantageous over non-hets. But at the same time, if one can afford the homozygous version they may prefer that instead. The difference to a breeder is that the next generation consists of known hets (from homo) instead of possible hets (from het.) Using a homozygous breeder also increases the number of morphed offspring coming from a clutch. Additionally, one can cross it out to any other line to start a brand new project and still get known hets.

That is, hets are one way to continue an existing project, but the actual morphs can do that "even better" and are much better for starting new projects, too.

If someone is not interested in breeding them, they are only buying "by phenotype." They only care what it looks like. To those people they will be of the same value as any other normal.

If you are talking about rare combinations, such as triple hets for ultra lavender stripe, there would probably be people lining up to buy them. But amel, anery, and hypo are the three most common genes in the pool right now. I would expect triple hets for those three traits to fetch maybe $5 more than a plain old normal.

 

[MADMAN]

wow man that flew 10 miles over my head that talk is sooooo confusing :awcrap: