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Just a few questions

Roy Munson said:
Hi. :wavey:

In MY experience, males are more likely to have funky feeding patterns from winter through the breeding season. You don't have to brumate, but if done properly, it would minimize weight loss during the winter months if he's not eating anyway. Of course, you don't want to brumate an unhealthy snake, so only do this if you're reasonably certain that his refusals aren't the result of a larger issue.

If you want to brumate him, make sure it has been at least two weeks since his last feeding, then shut off all of his supplemental heating and leave him at room temperature for a week. After that, find a dark place with temps from 50-65* Fahrenheit, and put him there for 2-3 months (changing water weekly).

Oh my .. that sounds harsh ! im unexperienced in this
Assuming that there is no bigger issue..that he's healthy,
Is this my only option ?
or is there something else i can do?

should i just leave him be? and keep trying to feed him untill he decides he wants to eat?
 
Cursed_Witch said:
Oh my .. that sounds harsh ! im unexperienced in this
Assuming that there is no bigger issue..that he's healthy,
Is this my only option ?
or is there something else i can do?

should i just leave him be? and keep trying to feed him untill he decides he wants to eat?
LOL. It's not that harsh, really. In the wild, most corns have to go through this, and sometimes under even more severe conditions. Brumation is usually only dangerous if a snake is unhealthy (ill or severely underweight), or if you can't achieve low enough bru temps.

Assuming that he's healthy, which is very likely the case, your options are limited. You can do what you've mentioned, and keep offering him food until he decides to eat. But something might have clicked in his tiny brain, and his food preferences may have changed. The emoryi I mentioned refused all f/t last winter, despite having eaten it regularly before, but accepted live (most of the time). You might try smaller f/t prey. You might slit and/or brain his prey. I've seen pics, and he's probably not going to die if he fasts for a couple of months at his normal temps.

If you choose not to brumate, try not to let the refusals worry you too much. This advice is a bit hypocritical, since refusals drive me nuts, but there are only so many things WE can do to prevent them. Good luck. :)
 
Roy Munson said:
LOL. It's not that harsh, really. In the wild, most corns have to go through this, and sometimes under even more severe conditions. Brumation is usually only dangerous if a snake is unhealthy (ill or severely underweight), or if you can't achieve low enough bru temps.

Assuming that he's healthy, which is very likely the case, your options are limited. You can do what you've mentioned, and keep offering him food until he decides to eat. But something might have clicked in his tiny brain, and his food preferences may have changed. The emoryi I mentioned refused all f/t last winter, despite having eaten it regularly before, but accepted live (most of the time). You might try smaller f/t prey. You might slit and/or brain his prey. I've seen pics, and he's probably not going to die if he fasts for a couple of months at his normal temps.

If you choose not to brumate, try not to let the refusals worry you too much. This advice is a bit hypocritical, since refusals drive me nuts, but there are only so many things WE can do to prevent them. Good luck. :)


Whooo *wipes sweat*
now i can relax
i feel much better now.
I gotta think about this and see if i have the ability to brumate him.
If not.. ill try different methods of feeding him
and yes he has changed his eating habits.. he became more shy for the past couple of months and NOW he;s really really shy that he doesnt eat......he even looks uninterested in his food.

By the way... if he doesnt eat.. should i wait a full week till his next normal feeding to try again or should i try a few nights right after his refusal?

thanks again Roy!
Youre really helpful
 
You're welcome. :) I'd give him 8-9 days between attempts-- let him work up a good appetite, if he has one. I should have also mentioned that a full 2-3 month brumation may not be necessary to reset his bb brain. You could go with an abbreviated 5-6 week brumation. I should also mention that one drawback to brumation is that it might make his mating urge stronger afterward, and many males don't eat much during the breeding season. But in my experience, younger males tend to eat better at this time than older, more established (and heavier) males.

Cursed_Witch said:
Whooo *wipes sweat*
now i can relax
i feel much better now.
I gotta think about this and see if i have the ability to brumate him.
If not.. ill try different methods of feeding him
and yes he has changed his eating habits.. he became more shy for the past couple of months and NOW he;s really really shy that he doesnt eat......he even looks uninterested in his food.

By the way... if he doesnt eat.. should i wait a full week till his next normal feeding to try again or should i try a few nights right after his refusal?

thanks again Roy!
Youre really helpful
 
For what it's worth, there were some people posting success getting non feeding chondros to eat with raw chicken. I wonder if it would work to jumpstart a non feeder?
 
MegF. said:
For what it's worth, there were some people posting success getting non feeding chondros to eat with raw chicken. I wonder if it would work to jumpstart a non feeder?
Yeccch. I don't know why the idea grosses me out, but it does. :awcrap: I would definitely try live mouse before resorting to that. And there are probably a few other things I'd try before live. I don't think this little guy is a classic non-feeder. I think he's just got a case of the short-day, winter blahs. I hope I'm right.
 
How long do you leave Stewie in with his food? My Maizey went from being a textbook feeder who would eat the minute I put her in the feeding container to now taking up to three or four hours to get in the mood. Just a thought...

Nanci
 
Roy Munson said:
Yeccch. I don't know why the idea grosses me out, but it does. :awcrap: I would definitely try live mouse before resorting to that. And there are probably a few other things I'd try before live. I don't think this little guy is a classic non-feeder. I think he's just got a case of the short-day, winter blahs. I hope I'm right.
Well I didn't say it was yummy, just that it worked. And when I'm down to something starving or eating I'll try it. I tend to think you're right though. Might be a little of everything. Have you tried bumping temps up a bit and increasing the light hours to trick it into thinking it's not winter?
 
Nanci said:
How long do you leave Stewie in with his food? My Maizey went from being a textbook feeder who would eat the minute I put her in the feeding container to now taking up to three or four hours to get in the mood. Just a thought...

Nanci

Hey Nanci
I know what you mean. Stewie used to be like that too.. Nowadays.. it started with half hour, 1 hour and lately it was 3 or 4 hours but the past couple of times it was...i had to leave him overnight....and once i had 2 fuzzies in there... left both overnight... he ate only one *but still he ate at least*
now the past 2 times only. * i had left an interval of 8 days* i left overnight and he didnt eat....the last one even i had made a cut in the back of the fuzzy....
 
MegF. said:
Well I didn't say it was yummy, just that it worked. And when I'm down to something starving or eating I'll try it. I tend to think you're right though. Might be a little of everything. Have you tried bumping temps up a bit and increasing the light hours to trick it into thinking it's not winter?

Hey Meg nice to see you again
I have raised the temps as it was something i thought would make him active..
he seems the same..althought i havent tried to feed him again.

Theres this ONE thing on my mind that i have a strong feeling about it that it could be the reason why.
It was why i made this post in the first place.

Do you guys think that he might be off food because he is moody cause his tank size? he doesnt seem to use his hides anymore.. he just lays there outside the corners of the viv.
So im thinking maybe its his way to protest. Maybe if i upgrade his tank and his hides he will be happy and start eating again...
 
It's possible but I think you're reading too much into what a snake requires. They don't wish for a nicer condo, they are usually fine with whatever they have. They don't have a concept of protest in order to get something. Their brain isn't that large. I think it's either a reaction to the shorter photoperiod, or there's something going on with him physically. Maybe for the heck of it, try a full spectrum light on during the day-set it for say a 10 or 12 hr. period.
 
MegF. said:
It's possible but I think you're reading too much into what a snake requires. They don't wish for a nicer condo, they are usually fine with whatever they have. They don't have a concept of protest in order to get something. Their brain isn't that large. I think it's either a reaction to the shorter photoperiod, or there's something going on with him physically. Maybe for the heck of it, try a full spectrum light on during the day-set it for say a 10 or 12 hr. period.

hmm i guess
i gotta go look in the basement if i have one
if not ill probably steal one from the turtle tanks hahaha
 
Is this just coloration or the dots on his belly mean something?

and heres a pic i just took of him.. i think he's very skinny.
How do you weigh him?
i want to keep track of that

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Roy Munson said:
He's really not that skinny. :) To weigh him, you need a decent gram scale.

Oh my god Roy.
youre always to the rescue!!!
I really like you ..

well.. it could be the shot... i had others.. but hes like long and thin for now

what do you think of his belly
and today i stayed home and watched him.. he actually was moving around and using his hides *finally* then i decided to handle him a bit to actually get him more active and he did...
so im thinking i want to try tonight to feed him.
what do you think
Thanks,
Paola
 
Cursed_Witch said:
Oh my god Roy.
youre always to the rescue!!!
I really like you ..

well.. it could be the shot... i had others.. but hes like long and thin for now

what do you think of his belly
and today i stayed home and watched him.. he actually was moving around and using his hides *finally* then i decided to handle him a bit to actually get him more active and he did...
so im thinking i want to try tonight to feed him.
what do you think
Thanks,
Paola
If it's been a week since the last attempt, go ahead and give it a shot.

The coloration on his belly is completely normal. As he gets older, you'll probably see more and more of it develop. But his neck will probably always be stark black on white. :)
 
Roy Munson said:
If it's been a week since the last attempt, go ahead and give it a shot.

The coloration on his belly is completely normal. As he gets older, you'll probably see more and more of it develop. But his neck will probably always be stark black on white. :)

*shy smile* can you tell it is my first snake?
I guess youre right
I will try to feed him tonight... and cross my fingers that he will decide he is hungry
 
Nanci said:
I'm crossing my fingers for him, too.

Nanci

Thanks Nanci

Ill let you guys know..
and then we can once and for all end this thread and i can stop bothering everybody hahaha

Ill be back later..
see yah

Paola
 
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