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Leusism

To be correct, Pantherophis guttatus!
Yes, guttatus is free of subspecies now, emoryi and slovinskii (formerly called kisatchi) are species now, so the little Creamsicles out there are official hybrids for half a year or so. :flames:
 
ok, well, i've seen a photo of this leusistic kitsachie and it looks like a ratsnake to me. i don't have a scanner, but if i find someone who does i'll try to get my bro to upload it to my pc and i'll post it.

my cousin couldn't remember the exact name of the place, but he said it was something with reptile retreat or something like that in the name.
 
wikkedkornman said:
i've seen a photo of this leusistic kitsachie and it looks like a ratsnake to me
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Heh... corns, emoryi and kisatchies are all rat snakes! lol

Quigs
 
tat2d1 said:
is that an albino texas rat? i've never seen an albino leucistic before. cool.
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Oops, I forgot to mention that part. Ya, leucies normally have blue eyes, and this one's an albino too. :)
 
Ok, so does leucistic mean it has no color or pattern except for in the eyes (which are blue). Please forgive my stupidity...
 
cka said:
Thanks Rich...

Quote "He claims they came out of his "Rusty" rat snake population. These are a brown colored form of the black rat snake that the original stock came out of northern Baltimore county near York Road"

Thats a good place to see some big black rats, especially in the area bordering the Gunpowder River south of Prettyboy Reservoir...Coincidentally (or not, as secretive as some folks will be as to where their "Special place" is lol) all the black rats I've seen around there have been nice solid blacks...
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If I remember correctly, that original "Rusty" rat snake was caught off of route 145 just east of York Road. There is a housing development now exactly at the spot where the animal was captured. I have also heard rumors of other specimens being found on the west side of Lock Raven Dam, so if anyone is interested in them, that would likely be the place to spend time looking for them. BTW, I caught a gorgeous flaming red eastern milk snake in the Lock Raven Dam area when I was a teenager. Maybe I should have spent more time kicking around in there when I lived in Maryland.... :rolleyes:
 
TheCornSnakeKid said:
Ok, so does leucistic mean it has no color or pattern except for in the eyes (which are blue). Please forgive my stupidity...
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Ya, leucistic means "white" and in reptiles/amphibians the name has been applied to a mutation that wipes out color/pattern, leaving a white animal with some melanin in the eyes. (This is why the eyes are blue.) :)
 
Rich Z said:
If I remember correctly, that original "Rusty" rat snake was caught off of route 145 just east of York Road. There is a housing development now exactly at the spot where the animal was captured. I have also heard rumors of other specimens being found on the west side of Lock Raven Dam, so if anyone is interested in them, that would likely be the place to spend time looking for them. BTW, I caught a gorgeous flaming red eastern milk snake in the Lock Raven Dam area when I was a teenager. Maybe I should have spent more time kicking around in there when I lived in Maryland.... :rolleyes:
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Some FYI:

The Gunpowder River flows out of Prettyboy Reservoir through Baltimore County, splitting into the Little and Big Gunpower River (on some maps they are called "falls" instead of "rivers")...The Big Gunpowder flows into Loch Raven Reservoir and out Loch Raven Dam, and eventually flows into the Chesapeake Bay...Much of the River is bordered by Gunpowder State PArk...There are trails running alongside the river for pretty much all of the way...It is a sweet place to find a big variety of herps in MD, and a pretty nice trout stream, especially closer to Prettyboy Dam...
 
Couldn't the alleged leucistic corn be bred to a normal corn? I mean, leucism in every other species I've heard of is recessive, so you would supposedly get all normal looking offspring het for leucism. Couldn't you look at the offspring and determine from *their* appearance whether or not they are hybrids? Since the normal parent would be pure corn you would know whether the leucistic parent is as well. Also, you'd have the bonus of several animals to examine for hybrid traits instead of just one, so if 11 babies hatch and they all look like normal pure corns, you could be fairly sure the leucistic parent is pure too.

I hope what I just said makes sense.
 
Good point. As long as they're not "almost corn" you might be able to tell.

In this case it looks like the leucy is not a corn anyway. :)
 
here it is. looks like maybe a leusistic black rat. my cousin says he was told it was caught at kistachi park in louisiana. maybe thats why they call it a leusistic kistachi?
 

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