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Morph Chart?

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katattata

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Sorry if this is somewhere but I have looked EVERYWHERE and tried searching every word combination I could think of. Anyways, Is there any sort of chart that says what morphs make up what morphs
I have been trying to learn genetics and for example, a chart that just has liek anera a+amel = snow...a chart of what morph combos make what morphs....no pictures or anything?
thanks
 
thanks guys for the links! But Ive already seem all those, im looking for a chart of some sort, like what 2 snakes had to pair up to make an ultra? for example .... haha sorry if im being dificult!
also what was the first varied morph that wasnt a selectivly bred morph,like miami? I heard it was amel? where was the first 'amel' and how did the gene come about if you know what I mean
 
katattata said:
thanks guys for the links! But Ive already seem all those, im looking for a chart of some sort, like what 2 snakes had to pair up to make an ultra? for example .... haha sorry if im being dificult!
also what was the first varied morph that wasnt a selectivly bred morph,like miami? I heard it was amel? where was the first 'amel' and how did the gene come about if you know what I mean
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Ohh, I thought you were just wanting the combos of what make up the fancy trade names (like snow =amel and anery, opal = amel and lavender, sulfur = amel, caramel, and diffused, etc...)

So, you actually mean when breeding? like snake A x snake B = what? That's a whole 'nother can of worms, and a knowledge of how genetics work has to be taken into account (i.e although a snow is anery and amel....a pairing of anery x amel will not make snows).

Try the cornsnake calculator for that, but if you aren ot familiar with genetics you might want to look up some information on that.
http://www.corncalc.com/

As an example, your question "what 2 snakes had to pair up to make an Ultra" is more complicated than just giving a pair. Different pairings can make ultras. Ultra itself is a trait (like anery, or stripe, or lavender, etc...it is not a combo trait) Possibilities include ultra x ultra....ultra x het ultra...het ultra x het ultra....ultra x ultramel...ultramel x ultramel...ultramel x het ultra...etc.... There are even more possibilities when working with combo traits that have 2, 3, 4, or even more traits.
 
Ohh, I thought you were just wanting the combos of what make up the fancy names (like snow =amel and anery, opal = amel and lavender, sulfur = amel, caramel, and diffused, etc...)

Thats def what I want :) I am already starting to get the hang of what you would get if you bred snake A to snake B
the last part was wondering where the first morphs came from and how they developed
 
Well, if you just want what traits are in trade names, the site I previously listed works fine, or the site that Susan linked. http://iansvivarium.com/cornsnakemorphs.php, cornsnakemorphgallery.com no chart needed.

If you want to know what snake A x snake B = what morph? you will have to use the cornsnake calculator, and get an understanding for genetics.

Example:

The trade name "Butter". Looking on the first site I listed we find that "Butter" is made up of "amel" and "caramel."

However, if you pair together an amel snake, and a caramel snake, you will get 100% normal colored cornsnakes, unless there are hets involved. This is why an understanding of genetics is also needed.

To get butter, one can pair up...

butter x butter
butter x caramel het amel
butter x amel het caramel
amel het caramel x amel het caramel
normal het amel, caramel x butter
normal het amel, caramel x normal het amel, caramel
etc...etc...etc...

So it's not quite as easy as making that into a chart, which is why the cornsnake calc is used.

A good rule of thumb for most traits: if you want a specific trait to show up in the offspring, then BOTH the mother and father of the offspring must also have that trait, either in homozygous recessive form (i.e. expressing the trait), or in heterozygous form (i.e having one recessive copy for the trait, not expressing the trait)
 
New genes appear sporadically and spontaneously as they are all *mutations* of an already existing gene. For example, amelanism is a mutation that happened at the gene that controls whether black (melanin) is expressed at all, and it acts like an 'off' switch. However, this particularly "light" is controlled by two switches, and both must be in the 'off' position in order for the gene to be suppressed.

Most "new" morphs are either new mutant genes, new genes + current/older mutant genes, or combinations of many existing mutant genes, such as the powder which is amel+hypo+anery+charcoal.
 
thanks, thats cool that its a 'mutation' gene
Anyways the other part hasnt been answered yet, I undersand what happens when you breed 2 snakes together, I know how to calculate it by hand even without using a calculator... what I want is something like
anery A+amel = snow
charcoal + amel = blizzard
ect....I want to know the origins of the morph if you will not what will happen what I combine 2 morphs....what makes a lavender, what makes a sunglow....
 
katattata said:
thanks, thats cool that its a 'mutation' gene
Anyways the other part hasnt been answered yet, I undersand what happens when you breed 2 snakes together, I know how to calculate it by hand even without using a calculator... what I want is something like
anery A+amel = snow
charcoal + amel = blizzard
ect....I want to know the origins of the morph if you will not what will happen what I combine 2 morphs....what makes a lavender, what makes a sunglow....
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The sites me and susan listed has all that info.

Snow, Blizzard, Butter, etc.. are trade names. Not all combo's have trade names, but many do.

On the site I listed http://iansvivarium.com/cornsnakemorphs.php, the first group of morphs listed are "single trait cornsnakes". This means that the name listed is the trait. Lavender is a single trait...it is like amel, or anery. Nothing "makes" a lavender, a lavender is a single gene that is either turned on or off, like amel, stripe, etc... The ones that have trade names are listed as the trade name, and then described below as to what makes up the morph. Example
Amber (hhhhcaccac)

A combination of Hypomelanistic and Caramel.
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Sunglow is a selectively bred cornsnake. It is just an amel cornsnake, that has been selectively bred to have bright colors, and no white. Selectively bred cornsnakes are listed on the bottom of that site.
 
yeah I already got the info off that site and created a nicely formatted document with it all layed out but I was wondering if there was a chart of that info out there for easy reference? :D but thats definetly what I was looking for thanks :D
 
That's what the linked sites will tell you. Ians vivarium tells you what goes into each morph, which are actually "normals" (such as okeetees and miamis), and which are line-bred traits such as bloodred (really red diffused snake).

For example, you create lavenders.... with lavenders. That is a single genetic trait. Opals, on the other hand, are lavender + amel.

Sunglows are a type of line-bred amel.
 
No, there's not, because it's complicated, convoluted, and changing every year as more stuff gets added.
 
yeah I am :D already have it ordered *So excited* haha but I have a ton of free time tonight so I was going to do a BUNCH of researching on this topic and studying and tryin to make sure I understand everything 100% so I was hopeing there was a chart I could use :)
 
Yeah, like Shiari said, there isn't. You'll just have to make your own using the info from Ian's Viv and other sites! :)
 
yup thats my project for the night I think haha :)
This is the only way for me to learn about genetics which is kinda sad....I would love to breed some corns and start a couple projects I have in mind but I dont think I would be able to find good homes for all the babies here :(...I also dont think I would be able to part with them :p
 
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