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MouseCrap Visible Inside Packaging

Sharon C.

Sharon C.

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My snake eats fuzzy frozen mousecicles right now but will soon be needing the next size up if there is one from that brand. My pet store does not carry the next size up from that brand. They have their own.

So I looked at their brand. I noticed in the plastic bags that I could see mousecrap frozen to the bodies of some of the mice. Is that normal? I would think it would be unsanitary. I did not buy the mice, I bought another container of fuzzies, which are all packaged individually and I have never seen mouse droppings in the packaging. I am guessing that I will not be purchasing the frozen mice at the petstore near me. I was thinking about Big Apple Herp. Should I expect to see mouse droppings with the frozen mice?

Thanks.
 
Off the top of my head .... I'm sure I've seen poop in the bag with the mice, or half out of a mouse-bum, plenty times.

I guess if they're about to pop their clogs they might be a bit upset and prone to poop themselves.

I wouldn't let it bother you too much. Just because you can't *see* any poop, doesn't mean there wasn't one (or more) in the chute waiting to come out at the point mr mouse bit the dust .....

It's not as if a wild mouse is going to fast for a few days so there's no poop inside at the point it gets eaten is it .....
 
colinmcc said:
Off the top of my head .... I'm sure I've seen poop in the bag with the mice, or half out of a mouse-bum, plenty times.

I guess if they're about to pop their clogs they might be a bit upset and prone to poop themselves.

I wouldn't let it bother you too much. Just because you can't *see* any poop, doesn't mean there wasn't one (or more) in the chute waiting to come out at the point mr mouse bit the dust .....

It's not as if a wild mouse is going to fast for a few days so there's no poop inside at the point it gets eaten is it .....
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:grin01: Am picking myself off the floor
 
colinmcc said:
It's not as if a wild mouse is going to fast for a few days so there's no poop inside at the point it gets eaten is it .....
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Are you sure??
It is one of the requirement when I buy mine, "mice with no poop or I don't buy!" :grin01:

That was a good one colinmcc, got me laughing!
 
You could always ask for the fuzzies that have had a colonic irrigation.. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
 
:-offtopic totally, our sadly missed degu had some problems with his kidneys, and the vet catheterised him, I was so worried about Bob, but couldn't help imagining the vet with a magnifying glass and the world's smallest catheter. Apologies, back to topic..........I'm sure you could brush or rinse off the visible poop with no harm done to your snake's meal
 
Don't buy from companies where you can see the feces in the bag with the mouse. It shouldn't be there, though stuff happens. What company was that?
 
I basically accept that I'm going to see a little poop and a little bedding in with my frozen mice. What I will not accept is mice that are caked in poop or soaked in urine. I must say that the ones I've bred myself and killed myself for the freezer really look like they're asleep and could pop back to life at any moment but if I were to pay for mice at that standard then I'm sure I'd go broke in a flash!

The mice should look pretty clean but don't be too worried by a couple of random poops.
 
kimbyra said:
Don't buy from companies where you can see the feces in the bag with the mouse. It shouldn't be there, though stuff happens. What company was that?
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The harsh reality of life is that when things die, they defecate and urinate. Now, the other reality is that how many thousands of rodents are being euthanized in order to fill the requirements of all us reptile keepers? Complaining (and I'm not picking on you kimbyra) about a few pieces of feces in a bag of rodents is 'nit picking' if you ask me . . .

Obviously if they are drenched in urine, and covered in little treasure nuggets, there's a problem, but just like the acceptable level of dead matter in your breakfast cereal, I personally have an acceptable level of urine and feces when I order feeder mice.

D80
 
I agree - somewhat. I mean if a saw a couple of little turds, in a huge bag i guess thats understandable. However, I bought 3 different rodent size 100 count bags, and so far I haven't seen one piece of poo. When I buy human quality meat, and lets not get into factory farming please, I hope its been rinsed, or something similar. I would rather buy my frozen rodents from someplace that rinses, or at least keeps the rodents as clean as they can. I don't know what the procedures are. I'm sure places vary. It's a buyers market, so since I have a choice, I want the clean stuff, online and shipped, and cheap. :cheers:
 
I'm with Kimbrya on this one. I've ordered from three different rodent companies, and only one has had ever feces, urine, or bedding in with the mice. They, of course, are the ones I will not to business with again.
 
kimbyra said:
I want the clean stuff, online and shipped, and cheap. :cheers:
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And I want a new BMW X5, to be able to eat as many cookies as I like without getting fat or sick and a written guarantee that my body will never be affected by the evils of gravity as I age...:rolleyes:
 
princess said:
And I want a new BMW X5, to be able to eat as many cookies as I like without getting fat or sick and a written guarantee that my body will never be affected by the evils of gravity as I age...:rolleyes:
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:laugh01:


.... and, and, I want a brand new set of scalextrics and a purple Audi TT and a smaller "derrière" and being able to drink milk without getting migraines and loads of corns and being rich and be able to fly a plane and ..... that's it, I quit!
 
If it's only a little bit of poop you can surely rinse it off when you thaw the mice, of course if the mice are filthy dirty you could buy elsewhere. It's your call :shrugs:
 
I tend to think the whole thing about visible poop is pretty much irrelevant.

Like I said at the start, even if you can't see it, chances are a VERY high proportion of your feeder mice have one in the chute anyway ......

Different thing entirely if the mice look just plain filthy.
 
A small amount of feces in the bag doesn't bother me, its inevitable. When you're filling as many orders a day/week/month as they do, for them to go through and remove every little turd would be assinine, imho.

I think urine soaked mice offends me more than little turds that are easily brushed away. There's nothing nastier than thawing rodents in a bucket of warm water that turns to reconstituted rodent pee, and stinks up every rodent. From the one company, I had mice that my snakes literally refused to eat, and with good reason. I wouldn't eat them either.

As rodents die, their gut continues to keep moving for 20-40 mins or so after death if they're not frozen immediately. That said, the continued peristaltic motion of the gut and the total relaxation of the anal sphincter with death, you're going to have feces come out after death. It's unavoidable. So in most circumstances if there is fecal matter clustered around the rear of the mice in the bags, its not the processors fault necessarily. If you've got a handful of bedding and feces, shake and baked with the mice, that is.

And Princess is right in her analogy...you may want perfectly clean frozen rodents, but as the Walgreens commericial says "We don't live anywhere near Perfect". They're dead whole rodents, there's always going to be something amiss somewhere. Whether that be a tiny urine puddle frozen, blood oozed out the nose, or the stray piece of feces or bedding...if its not present in any large quantity to the average person, I wouldn't fuss over it. If it seems a little exorbatant for what you expect, then maybe you have a right to complain.

Even the "cleanest" I've had so far always has a turd here or there. Its not human food entering our own food chain. After all, they're snakes, they don't care about a couple of turds in the packaging. ;)
 
Heeellllllooooooo, they're animals.... do they really need a scrubbed down, antibiotic mouse? Of the few f/t I've fed mine, I stick them in hot water, it gets cool so I dump it out and fill it back up with hot water... it's like a rinse... can't you just rinse your mouse off.
 
CaptBogart said:
Heeellllllooooooo, they're animals.... do they really need a scrubbed down, antibiotic mouse? Of the few f/t I've fed mine, I stick them in hot water, it gets cool so I dump it out and fill it back up with hot water... it's like a rinse... can't you just rinse your mouse off.
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That is exactly what I do, it seemed logical to me to do it that was if there is come poop ;)
 
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