multiple snakes?!!??!

[shenishen]

thank you! people shouldnt get heated, they should just give there info...when people get heated it can be discouraging to others to ask common questions. but anyways i dont know what kind they are...all i knew was they were the calmest and the least jumpy of all the snakes that ive seen so far. i personally think they do have emotions but not human emotions but they know there likes and dislikes. im sorry about your snakes escaping!!! when i was a teen my snake had escaped and i was devistated but he was found about 3 weeks later under my couch...it was funny my friend was sitting on the floor put her hand under the sofa and pulled him out and i was all smiles! he had a few nics and scratches from my cat im assuming and was a bit hungry but over all he was healthy!

i love my little guys...i would bite them if i could! hahaha jk

 

[shenishen]

i have certain pet stores i trust and pet stores i dont trust! lol

 

[xchris]

i have certain pet stores i trust and pet stores i dont trust! lol

i dont trust petco fish thats for sure, i watched them take my friends fish out of his cooler and put them in their tanks... no quarantine or anything :eek1:

 

[shenishen]

petcos fish are always sick!! yesterday my friend found a fish flopping around on the ground...she picked it up and threw it back into a random tank and it lived...hahaha it was funny! hehe im a dork

 

[xchris]

at petsmart (where i work) some fish actually just jump out of the tank or your little bin you put them in before you put them in a bag and you dont even notice, unfortunately it happened with a beautiful cichlid

 

[Morph Collector]

People on this forum will make a REALLY big deal about cohabbing.. As though you are going to burn eternally in damnation if you even consider it. Truth be told, 9/10 times you are going to be safe doing so. Depending on your situation, I would house them seperately in the slight chance that someone gets eaten, but that chance is so rare I can't calculate it... Keep them well fed, and if you are cohabbing NEVER feed them in the same cage. I hope that helps.

 

[onelifetolive45]

People on this forum will make a REALLY big deal about cohabbing.. As though you are going to burn eternally in damnation if you even consider it. Truth be told, 9/10 times you are going to be safe doing so. Depending on your situation, I would house them seperately in the slight chance that someone gets eaten, but that chance is so rare I can't calculate it... Keep them well fed, and if you are cohabbing NEVER feed them in the same cage. I hope that helps.

It is a "REALLY" big deal because it all comes down to selfishness. What gain do you get from co-habbing?? Saving a few bucks? Saving some room? How long have you been keeping reptiles? Where did you get your figure for 9/10 times co-habbing is safe? If kept separate you cut the risk of spreading diseases and infections significantly, you eliminate the risk of having a female bred to early, and there is no chance for cannibalism. It doesn't matter how many time it is stated on here or any other forum and how many aweful horror stories we have to endure some people simply are to thick-headed and to ignorant to take heed of the warnings that more experienced people give them. To the original poster of this thread, I hope you do a search on co-habbing and can see the dangers of it. I hope that you have the common sense to see it really is not worth it.

 

[shenishen]

how are you saving a few bucks by putting them in the same tank? bigger tanks cost more money, i keep seeing that come up on the cohabbing topic cuz ive been doing some reseach on here ever since i learned the correct term for housing them together haha...maybe i just good deals on my 20 gallons or something...at the most im going to spend 35 bucks for the tank and lid. but on these forums people take it as a personal insult when someone says they cohab there snakes and everything is fine lol mine are currently housed together but tmw my second tank should be completely dry and move in ready...i love fixing up there vivs...i like there little homes to feel like a little piece of nature. hehe

 

[SquamishSerpents]

yeah bigger tanks cost more money, but it's still cheaper than getting under tank heaters and substrate and hides and water dishes and vines and plants and so on for 2 separate tanks.

 

[shenishen]

i still think 2 seperate tanks is cheaper...lol

 

[tricksterpup]

yeah bigger tanks cost more money, but it's still cheaper than getting under tank heaters and substrate and hides and water dishes and vines and plants and so on for 2 separate tanks.

But you do not need all that stuff for your snakes.
Hides are pretty cheap especially if you use boxes. Heck if you are crafty you can build your own wooden nest box for a few bucks. Next, how much is a $2.50 dog bowl from walmart going to break the bank?
All a snake really needs is a hide, water dish, substrate and heat source. Everything else well thats your own choice, the snake doesn't really care. Experienced keepers who keep multiple snakes use tubs and racks and that is it. Nothing fancy or special, snakes just don't care as long as they have their weekly mouse.

 

[ohdigeydoc]

Hey guys, you'll have to forgive me, I'm a new user.

I just bougt two baby corn snakes, and I've been reading this topic. As of right now, I have them staying together, but I'm thinking that's not the best option. Everyone seems to say, "do a search for cohabbing," but I can't figure out how to do that. Can someone let me know? Thanks


(My corn snake manual is coming in the mail today or tomorrow, so I'll have more knowledge about keeping them soon. )

 

[tricksterpup]

Hey guys, you'll have to forgive me, I'm a new user.

I just bougt two baby corn snakes, and I've been reading this topic. As of right now, I have them staying together, but I'm thinking that's not the best option. Everyone seems to say, "do a search for cohabbing," but I can't figure out how to do that. Can someone let me know? Thanks


(My corn snake manual is coming in the mail today or tomorrow, so I'll have more knowledge about keeping them soon. )

First off welcome to Cornsnakes.com.
I recommend reading this first.
http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28341

Next is to buy the Kathy love book on Corn snakes.

But yea, many of us are against co habbing unless you are an experienced herper. If you are new to snakes, don't do it. I recommend buying a couple of those cheap walmart plastic fauna cages for about $8 each. I keep all my little snakes in them with a small hide and water dish (99 cent rodent food bowl from walmart). As they get older and about 125 grams I then move them to a larger cage. This way you can save up for larger setups for your pets.

 

[xchris]

why does everyone have to get so heated on this subject... ooo horror stories, selfishness, wtf ever, tell them the dangers and that it has happened and voice your opinion, dont force someone into something, the point of forums is to ask questions and get peoples opinions not ask questions and have people degrade you if you make a decision that is against their opinion.

it should go like this.

Poster: Can i house multiple snakes together?

Replier: You can but there are many dangers to doing so, cannabalism is quite possible and the snakes can spread diseases, also if one throws up you wont know which one, there is a chance that you can breed your snake too early and cause major problems. I personally would not do it for those reasons but if you would like to take that risk its on you.

^^^ thats exactly how it should go, not this whole bash on, o your just being selfish, blah blah, because i agree... its cheaper for me to get two tanks then it is one.

 

[tricksterpup]

First off welcome to Cornsnakes.com.
I recommend reading this first.
http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28341

Next is to buy the Kathy love book on Corn snakes.

But yea, many of us are against co habbing unless you are an experienced herper. If you are new to snakes, don't do it. I recommend buying a couple of those cheap walmart plastic fauna cages for about $8 each. I keep all my little snakes in them with a small hide and water dish (99 cent rodent food bowl from walmart). As they get older and about 125 grams I then move them to a larger cage. This way you can save up for larger setups for your pets.

^^^ thats exactly how it should go, not this whole bash on, o your just being selfish, blah blah, because i agree... its cheaper for me to get two tanks then it is one.

Amazing that is exactly what I did.. Stop trolling yourself, if you have problem talk to them via a pm. I have done that many of times, even to a well established poster on this site, heck he even has a snake older than you.

 

[Roy Munson]

why does everyone have to get so heated on this subject... ooo horror stories, selfishness, wtf ever,

First of all, familiarize yourself with the rules of this site. Profanity and implied profanity are against these rules. No more "wtf ever" stuff, please.

tell them the dangers and that it has happened and voice your opinion, dont force someone into something, the point of forums is to ask questions and get peoples opinions not ask questions and have people degrade you if you make a decision that is against their opinion.

How can you force someone into something remotely? It's an open discussion board. We don't need you to tell us what the point of this forum is, or how to conduct our discussions. The only guidelines are that you need to follow the rules.

it should go like this.

Poster: Can i house multiple snakes together?

Replier: You can but there are many dangers to doing so, cannabalism is quite possible and the snakes can spread diseases, also if one throws up you wont know which one, there is a chance that you can breed your snake too early and cause major problems. I personally would not do it for those reasons but if you would like to take that risk its on you.

^^^ thats exactly how it should go, not this whole bash on, o your just being selfish, blah blah, because i agree... its cheaper for me to get two tanks then it is one.

I like the way you answered the question-- I really do. But just because you, or maybe both of us, would prefer the discussion to go that way doesn't mean that others have to agree or comply with our preferences. If the tone of this entire post had been as civil as the tone of your example, I might have repped you for it.

 

[Roy Munson]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this concept that buying, outfitting, and maintaining two tanks is less expensive than doing so for one tank. I'm guessing that those who are making this claim are neither math nor economics majors or degree holders. :grin01: Maybe I need the concept explained to me, with a cost breakdown...

 

[xchris]

trickster i wasnt referring to you i just replied after you :laugh01:

but anyways i apologize for the umm three letters, theres just soo much drama on these forums, im usually on mustang forums (the car not the animal) and there is never ANY drama. As for forcing someone, ok its not FORCING but people come accross like if you cohab your the scum of the earth and people come here for advice not to be put down because they are doing something you dont agree with.

anyways i just came to these forums not along ago so im not an established poster, i dont want problems with people i just think everyone is overreacting, like i said i personally do not cohab, i dont want to take the risks but the simple fact is it can be done and it is possible to have healthy snakes that cohab but cannabilism.... i just cant get over that, man if i lost one of my snakes because i put them together i would be quite upset, i love my animals.

Sorry if i offended anyone but if you look at it im trying to keep this civilized although my "profanity" might not have shown much civilization of maturity i really was just trying to turn this into something alittle more helpful.

o but um trickster as for the snake older then me comment, just because im 18 doesnt mean anything, i mean come on... my buddys got a turtle older then you, who cares? if anything it should be impressive that an 18 year old is the one trying to be the mature one here :shrugs:

and this is COMPLETELY off topic and might even bring on a chuckle but umm...Roy, to follow your plan which scale do you recommend

 

[Roy Munson]

but anyways i apologize for the umm three letters,

Not the biggest deal in the world. Just thought I'd let you know.

and this is COMPLETELY off topic and might even bring on a chuckle but umm...Roy, to follow your plan which scale do you recommend

I use an iBalance 2600, and I really like it, but it's probably more scale than I really needed. I'm sure you can get away with something far less expensive. Any scale that measures to single grams would do. You'd probably want to make sure that its max limit was somewhat above the max weight of the snake species you want to weigh. My scale maxes out at 2600g, so it should be ok for all of my colubrids, but I have boas that will probably exceed that maximum.

 

[xchris]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this concept that buying, outfitting, and maintaining two tanks is less expensive than doing so for one tank. I'm guessing that those who are making this claim are neither math nor economics majors or degree holders. :grin01: Maybe I need the concept explained to me, with a cost breakdown...

http://www.amazonia.com/price.htm

thats a good way to look at it... two 10 gallon tanks...
9.99x2= 19.98
One 20 gallon tank
33.99


im doing the math on accessories and its turning out to be that your right that one tank is less expensive then two but i dont know, it cost me more to get a big tank then it does 2 little tanks, i'll do a full price break down when i get the chance lol, it may just be because all the accessories i get for my bigger tanks are really expensive like i get bigger water bowls and stuff as opposed to like home made... i think if i went home made it would be cheaper to buy one tank.