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my three corn snake

Shiari said:
And as ultra exists on the amel locus and not the hypo-A locus...

It should be perfectly genetically possible to have an animal homozygous for Ultra, Hypo A, and Anery A. Heck, you could even have a Sunkissed Lava Ultra Ghost. All the genes exist in different areas.
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yes, but a snake being homo for something does not make it that morph. Lick just because an amel is also homo for anery, it does not make it a snow. at least in theory...
 
Cornsnake124 said:
yes, but a snake being homo for something does not make it that morph. Lick just because an amel is also homo for anery, it does not make it a snow. at least in theory...
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Huh?
I think you are confusing homo and het.
A snake that is homozygous amel and het anery is not a snow.
A snake that is homozygous amel and homozygous anery is a snow.
 
an animal that is homozygous for something has two of the same. Homo meaning "same", Het meaning "different". So something homozygous for amel has two copies of the amel gene and expresses amelanism visually. And something homozygous for anery has two copies of the anery gene and expresses anerythrism visually. An animal homozygous for both amelanism AND anery displays both at the *same time*. So... no red, no black and you get "white", or, A Snow.
 
Shiari said:
And as ultra exists on the amel locus and not the hypo-A locus...

It should be perfectly genetically possible to have an animal homozygous for Ultra, Hypo A, and Anery A. Heck, you could even have a Sunkissed Lava Ultra Ghost. All the genes exist in different areas.
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Hi Shiari in your personal opinion what you think is the corn ultra ghost or ghost or what?
 
visually, they're almost impossible to tell apart. Stick with ghost for now. If you're curious, get a known ultra animal and test breed in 3 years.
 
Don't be too sad about your normal. These days it is hard to find a normal that doesn't have some sort of hets. You never know what's hidden behind a "classic" ;)
 
i cant find my CMG, but i have been going around to different morph lists and will now talk about it:

Ian's viv's morph guide only shows 1 morph that is even close to what you are talking about, and that is platinum.

The Cornsnake morph gallery lists platinum also, but no ultra or hypo ghost.

Reptileallsorts.com cornphase section does not list platinum or any type of ultra or hypo ghost.

serpwidgets/morphs/gene combos does not list any type of ultra ghost.

It is not listed in this thread at a different forum (oh and one of the people who gave pics was Jim [tricksterpup]!)

well that was the whole first page of a google search and then some that i already knew about..

And the last thing is, Technecly EVERY ghost is a hypo ghost because A GHOST IS AN ANERY CORN X HYPO CORN!! and i believe you were defining ultra ghosts as hypo ghosts?

And in all of those pics the snakes were called ultra anerys. can you list me one where they were called ultra ghosts?
 
I think you are just hung up on the name. If a snake can only exist by a certain name then there are no such thing as charcoal ghost (because they call those platinums) and there is no such thing as an amel ghost (because they call those coral snows)
I think that is why we aren't communicating because I'm talking about genes and you are talking about the names people call them by.

Ultra is a form of hypomelanism. I think ultra also masks regular hypo so it does make more sense to call them ultra anerys than ultra ghosts. Whether there's regular hypo in the mix or not would most likely require breeding trials.

If I ever came up with a new morph combo and gave it a name, it would exist whether or not you can find it using google or looking in the CMG. There's a reason that book gets updated every year!
 
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but can you please tell me the difference between an ultra ghost and a regular ghost?? Besides, the name ultra ghost isn't very spread around, so even if his corn turns out to be an ultra ghost, i would still label it a plain old ghost.

Personally, i think he's just hoping for some new morph, but there is always a possibility... Like shairi said, in 3 years, test breed it to an ultra type animal.
 
simple, the regular ghost would have hypo and anery but not have the ultra gene. The ultra ghost would have ultra, hypo and anery but you wouldn't be able to tell it from an ultra anery anyway.
Are you at least conceding that they exist now?
Alex isn't the first person to get a ghost and think it might be something special. He could be right - who knows what genes make it to Puerto Rico! I love ghosts so to me they are all special anyway.
 
yes the breedeer i buy tell me the mother is a snow and the breed two male one is cremsicol and the other i not know but i think something crazy maybe the ghost is ultramel ghost?????
 
Well now that you mention creamsicle that also means it could be a hybrid - a creamsicle is not pure corn. Did he breed both males to the female?
 
if one of them is creamsicle that means your snake is a hybrid. if you breed her to anything you should lable the offspring as such.

i am almost absolutely sure that there is no such thing as a ultramel ghost, though i cant say for sure. if your ghost is an ultra ghost the father would have to be a ghost het hypo (if thats possible) and the creamsicle would have to be het ghost and hypo. (???)

But again, your snake would be a hybrid if the female was a creamsicle.

oh and jen, yes, i am agnolaging that there is such thing as an ultra anery.
 
oh and since there is two males the other male could be anery het hypo or an ultra anery, though that would be unlikely.
 
Cornsnake124 said:
if one of them is creamsicle that means your snake is a hybrid. if you breed her to anything you should lable the offspring as such.

i am almost absolutely sure that there is no such thing as a ultramel ghost, though i cant say for sure. if your ghost is an ultra ghost the father would have to be a ghost het hypo (if thats possible) and the creamsicle would have to be het ghost and hypo. (???)

But again, your snake would be a hybrid if the female was a creamsicle.

oh and jen, yes, i am agnolaging that there is such thing as an ultra anery.
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maybe the other male is a ultramel het anery X FEMALE SNOW(AMEL, ANERY)

I HAVE A % GET ULTRAMEL, ANERY
 
Cornsnake124 said:
if one of them is creamsicle that means your snake is a hybrid. if you breed her to anything you should lable the offspring as such.

i am almost absolutely sure that there is no such thing as a ultramel ghost, though i cant say for sure. if your ghost is an ultra ghost the father would have to be a ghost het hypo (if thats possible) and the creamsicle would have to be het ghost and hypo. (???)

But again, your snake would be a hybrid if the female was a creamsicle.

oh and jen, yes, i am agnolaging that there is such thing as an ultra anery.
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maybe the other male is a ultramel het anery X FEMALE SNOW(AMEL, ANERY)

I HAVE A % GET ULTRAMEL, ANERY
 
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