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Natal/African Soft Furred Rats...

BuckeyeSnake

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How do these do as breeders? I've heard horror stories on breeding mice(canabalism and whatnot), but haven't heard too much about ASF's. Do they tend to do better or worse?

I know they tend to be more aggressive, but the whole no scent thing makes up for that.
 
I'm curious.....

What did you mean by no scent?
I just acquired a breeding set, they ate the water bottle. lol
I have had, rats,and mice as pets before, these guys are cool, very attentive. There are two clutches lol don't know the term...i guess packs, the male and two females in the same tank, with them....but no cannibalism....yet.
 
From what I've read, they stink a whole lot less than mice or rats. Heard they still pee a lot though. And, I've also read that they love to chew(sounds like you experienced this, haha!) I've got a glass water bottle ready though.
 
from what I have read an average littler size is 9-12 with a gestation period of 21-25 days. The only down side that I have heard from a lot of people is that most snakes will become addicted to them and refuse or be finiky about eating anything else. This is the only reason I havn't started breeding them. I have not heard from many people who do breed and feed them to corns.
 
I forgot to answer the OP’s question that yes the people that I have talked to that have also raised other feeders say that they are 10x better than rats and mice. Since they are from Africa they do not mark territory as this is a waste of body fluids when you live in an arid place. When they do go to the bathroom they designate one of the corners as the toilet and will all use only that corner. So you can get away with just spot cleaning and can go up to a month before doing a full cleaning. They are more caring and family based which is good and bad. once you get a colony set that is it, you dont split them up and you dont try to add new ones. If you have hatchling corns the ASF pinkies are usually to large even right after they are born. They are good for breeding for about a year to a year and a half. They live for about 2-3 years, reach maturity 53-63 days. They are know for chewing through anything, but also being very hearty little animals. I hope this helps. let me know if their are anymore questions that I might be able to answer.
 
I have been keeping/breeding them for close to a year. They are almost odorless, a slight smell but it isn't as noticable as with mice. I notice that not all of my corns will take them, some love them and some won't touch them. I feed a hamster/gerbil seed mix with millet and occasional table scraps as a treat and they are thriving. I occasionally have to kill/freeze a bunch because once they start breeding (about 3 mos old) they have pinks about every 3 weeks.
 
Keep in mind that if you are breeding and selling snakes, feeding the hatchlings a specialized diet would be ill-advised.

I had a lot of fun raising ASF for the 2 years I did it. The only reason why I stopped is because of how much time caring for them took from my son.
 
I like them, the pinkys are fine if you get them quick as they grow like crazy. They need plenty of room to run as the male needs to chase the female as part of their mating ritual. They can cannibalize litters but it's mainly due to new mothers or they're nervous. If you provide a den, (I use a rubbermade shoe box with a hole cut in top aka lay box), they do just fine. I keep one colony, (a 1.4), in a 75 gallon tank with a huge waterbottle hanging from the top. You have to be careful because they can climb a piece of twine, so climbing a waterbottle holder is nothing. They love their wheel too, and spend most of the day and night on it. Once they start having babies they'll attack you if you put your hand in the tank so I use plastic salad tongs to pick up babies, lol....

Here are pics
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pinkys about 4 days old
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I recently got a 1.3 colony in May and just now have had a litter of 13. 7 females and 6 male babies. I haven't had cannibalism with my colony yet. I fed 3 of the males to my corns and they ate them just fine. As for the biting and jumping, mine have not jumped or bit me yet. I have even moved the mom ASF with my hand and she didn't bite. They are very laid back and are far easier to take care of than mice. As for the the smell, it is far less than mice as stated by everyone else. They do chew on things so wood blocks or paper towel tubes are in my bins. I have not used a wheel with mine but I plan on getting one soon. I am also thinking about starting more colonies with mine.
 
I have 12 mice colonies, and 1 ASF colony in 4 months the Asf's have given 3 litters. They are great when it comes to smell, and require very little in the maintence dept. As for aggression, I think it is all how they are raised/handled. My adults right now are mean. But the babies(weanlings) ,I have started handling, seem to very gentle. I try to hold them daily or as much as possible. My adult snakes seem to like them, and I have been switching back and forth from Asf to mice with no issues so far. I have yet to try to feed my smaller snakes with the Asf's just because I dont want to run out. I plan on reducing my mice colonies down , and uping my number of Asf colonies.
 
I have been keeping ASF since January this year (started with 2 young females and one young male). My original male died of wet-tail as it is very hard to detect in soft furs (they don't waste lots of moisture in urine as hamsters and mice do) but I saved the pregnant female and litter with medication (lost 7 out of 9 babies though). I was trying to see if they would smell more if I left cleaning for 4 weeks or more. The smell didn't change but they got sick :( The other female was 'rejected' by her sister before the wet-tail happened. I had to separate her out because her sister was biting her more and more often with blood being left on the food dish and such (this is VERY odd for family members to do). She lived alone till I picked out a nice male for her a month later (some sort of hypo, red eyes anyways). She has had one litter with him so far.

After the original pregnant female's next litter was born and raised I was stuck with trying to add a male to an establised group (I didn't think holding on to a son was a good start to a colony - I am trying to avoid inbreeding). So I chose a full grown male from the store I work at (he was living with 3 other males of varying ages). And put him in a small container within the colony tank for 24 hours (this can work for gerbils so I thought soft furs would take to it as well). Well, it sort of worked (I also cleaned the whole tank out before adding him). I say sort of because the top female didn't kill him. However she did bite him once, very hard which put him on the defensive (biting any female that came near). Everyone stopped trying to bite each other after another 48 hours. It's been about 5 weeks since they were put together and no one seems to 'like' the male I chose. They will occasionally nip and wrestle with him and will not let him sleep with the babies (the original male was a fantastic dad that sat with the babies more often then the female did). But maybe pregnant females are just moody? There's been 2 litters born so far and another to come soon so perhaps they are feeling crowded (it's a 20 gal) but my snakes are hungy so that shouldn't be a long term issue :laugh: Every tank has one or two 8" running wheels so I find that they don't chew anything - even cardboard because they prefer to run.

I am feeding them: horse pellets (apple cinnamon crunch or something), parrot mix, rodent blocks (much hated by all), gourmet seed mixes made for rodents, bunnies and cockatiels, spray millet, mealworms, kingworms and crickets, occassionally crested gecko diet, alfalfa hay, quality cat crunchies (Arcana, Eagle Pack).

Bedding: a light layer of pine shavings covered by ultra carefresh, changed weekly.
 
Oh yeah, I hand feed my AFS so they are friendly enough to let me pet and stroke them, and handle stuff in the cage but if I want to poke young babies I distract them with bugs first, lmao. They do let me pet them if they are nursing young though.
 
I currently have 9 colonies. Each in a 10 gallon tank. Each colony has a bell bottle (chew proof) and a wheel. They are 1m to 3f and they are fed mazuri 6F rodent chow same as everyone else.
I get an average of 300 babies a month from them. Some produce better than others. Occasionally a male has died and they are hard to introduce a new male to. I found it is easier to just feed off the females and start over. I have found that after 12 to 15 months of breeding the numbers fall off and so I replace the colony with a new young set.
My corns get everything from rats to mice to asf and have never turned to eating just one specific thing. Hope this helps.
 
I have one colony it currently has 6 females and 1 male and a litter of 11. Only one female has produced so far and her first litter was 15, but I know it was not her first ever litter as I was told that she is the male and other females mom. I have not observed any chasing or mating and they are kept in my room. I have read and witnessed that multiple males can be kept in the colony as long as they are born into it. Introducing new animals can be extremely difficult, I have been told even harder than introducing gerbils. So far one wheel is NOT enough for mine, they still try to kill the glass/metal water bottle. When they had a water dish they buried it under food they did not like and used bedding. Now they have a wheel and the three adults argue over it. I say argue instead of fight because its more like kids saying "Mine! No its mine!" I plan to move them into a 50 gallon in the spring next year with multiple wheels, but will not give hides as I find its hard to pull babies from rodents with them. That's just me though. The producing female has bitten and drawn blood 4 times so I have to use a spare lid to corner them to clean the cage or pull animals for processing. Other than that I love them. They are very neat looking, fairly quiet and like gerbils you do not "have" to clean out the cage much. As for the chewing thing, so far wood doesn't seem to help nor does offering walnuts in shell.
 
To give mine some enrichment activity, I throw that weekly classifieds paper magazine that comes in the mail in their tanks. It takes them a couple days to shred it all up into little pieces and move it into their nest box. I tear some in half and split them between the mice as well.
 
I am just curious, which would you guys suggest would be the easiest and best to breed for feeding corns, mice or ASFs?
 
I am just curious, which would you guys suggest would be the easiest and best to breed for feeding corns, mice or ASFs?

Depends on what you're feeding. ASF's grow fast so if you're feeding yearlings and adults I like the ASF's. For hatchlings to yearlings I like the mice. I raise both myself....
 
I think I'm beginning to like my Soft Fur's as much as my snakes. :laugh:


I gave them crickets tonight and fully enjoyed the little rats running around chasing them. They loved em! I'm going to try some mealworms soon as well.

Also tried to feed a couple crickets to my mice and Gerbils. The mice didn't seem interested at all and the gerbils killed them, but didn't eat them(I put them in a seperate, new cage though so they could have just been distracted).
 
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