need help with hybrid names

[Caryl]

Could someone please help me sort out the hybrid names? I know about creamsicles and root beers. I saw champagne listed as a color variant of snow, and I've seen it listed as a hybrid, but don't know which is correct. Thanks in advance.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I've never heard Champagne was a hybrid. I thought it was a selectively bred Snow (bred for pink), could be wrong though.

Jungle = Corn x King
Turbo = Corn x Gopher

 

[patm1313]

Don't take my word for it, but I think champagne is a non-hybrid.

 

[KJUN]

I've never heard Champagne was a hybrid. I thought it was a selectively bred Snow (bred for pink), could be wrong though.

Jungle = Corn x King
Turbo = Corn x Gopher

I'd bet my life on champagnes being hybrids. Heck, I'm had some with such keeled scales that they felt like Sonoran gophersnakes. Bleach out some of the first ones, and they'd look exactly, in terms of body form, like the old "bubblegum ratsnakes" that were a mixture of a few ratsnake subspecies. Top that off with the number of people that have said male champagne's don't all cue in on female cornsnakes as a possible mate (even when other male corns fight to breed those females 5 minutes later). Something about cornsnake pheromones just don't excite a fair number of champagne males.

I believe anyone who REALLY thinks these are not hybrids just haven't dug deep enough to raise their suspicions. PLUS, I've only seen about 20% of Champagnes that had enough unique coloration to warrant calling them anything new. Most of them just look like slightly pink striped snows. (Speaking of which, bnotice the stripe is more reminiscent of greenish or yellow ratsnake stripes that regular striped cornsnakes?) Soooo, hybrid or not, they still don't strike me as anything more than a striped pink snow with a crappy striped pattern.

BTW, the creator (or one of the first promoters - not sure which - is BIG into hybrid snakes. He says these aren't hybrids, but I wonder if he just didn't verify the source of his breeders in enough detail (missing the fact that they were hybrids without him realizing it) or if a mistake happened at his place (I accuse him of NO purposeful wrong doing!), but there are just too many problems for me to even have a hint of a doubt about these being hybrids. Sorry.

 

[Pasodama]

Champagnes are not supposed to be hybrids/intergrades ... but I guess it is possible, considering. :shrugs:

Ultra, or Ultramels, are suspected to be hybrid/intergrades as well.

However, known hybrid/intergrades, besides Creamsicle & Rootbeer (those with emoryi blood), are:
Cinnamon Corn & Burgundy Corn

Others are:

Tequila Sunrise - suspected to be hybrid/intergrade (carrying Yellow Rat blood or, another theory, carrying Ultra) so that is what it is labled as.

Pearl (Pearl is a name that was once used for Opal Corns but, nowadays, refers to the hybrid) - Cornsnake x Leucistic Texas Rat

Frosted Corn - Corn Snake X Gray Rat Snake

... and other known hybrids are:

Jungle Corn - Cornsnake x California Kingsnake
Super Corn- 75% Cornsnake & 25% California Kingsnake

Tri Color Jungle Corn - Cornsnake x Ruthvens Kingsnake or Queretaro

Tharicorn(?) - Cornsnake x Thayeri Kingsnake

Axminster - Corn Snake x Holbrooki

Sinacorn - Cornsnake x Sinaloan Milksnake
Pueblacorn - Cornsnake x Pueblan Milksnake
Super Pueblacorn - Cornsnake x Super Pueblan (Super Corn x Pueblacorn)
Imperial Pueblacorn - Cornsnake x Imperial Pueblan (Pueblan Milk x Banana Cal Kingsnake)
Cornduran - Cornsnake x Honduran Milksnake

Turbocorns - Cornsnake x Gophersnake

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Hmm, that's interesting...

 

[Caryl]

Whew! I'd no idea there were so many known corn hybrids/intergrades. Thanks, all.

 

[patm1313]

Whew! I'd no idea there were so many known corn hybrids/intergrades. Thanks, all.

Yes. I don't know, there is a big debate over hybrids (and I won't bring that debate into this thread ). I think a lot of people are just looking for something new, and think that if they breed another species of snake with a corn, that they will get something exciting, but in reality, most of the time it isn't so.

 

[Roy Munson]

I think a lot of people are just looking for something new, and think that if they breed another species of snake with a corn, that they will get something exciting, but in reality, most of the time it isn't so.

I'm not into hybrids, but I think that assessing how "exciting" they are is really a subjective thing. Most of them may not be exciting to you or me, but we can't speak for everyone...