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new and wonderful pet

Sadistic!!!???

I don't know about anybody else but I'm beginning to not like the way this thread is going. There seems to be too much of the enjoyment of inflicting pain and suffering on another living creature. I do like snakes and by necessity have to feed them mice, I would not be able to feed them live food and am quite glad that I can buy frozen mice to feed them. It is fascinating to watch them feed, but I know the meal isn't suffering during the process. Maybe I'm being hypocritical, after all I do eat meat.
There are too many people who enjoy making other living things suffer I hope you are not one of them.

Anyway my opinion.
Tina
 
do you want to be alive when all your cells burst open and die while your brain slowly freezes over?
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Hey Rocky, for a minute there I thought you were referring to an experience I once had after an office Christmas party.....


Uh, did I say that out loud? Never mind. :D
 
Tank: A 20 gallon long (30"x12"x12") is about the minimum size you'd want for an adult. They'd make use of a larger cage if you have the space/money/desire for one, though.
 
sadistic...

In no way do I enjoy killing anything (well, except a house fly that's been harrasing me for a long time). Sorry for the smiley following my post. I HATE hearing a pinkie squeak when I feed one. And I only feed them to hatchlings that refuse frozen.

But the truth of the matter is; you will have to feed live and occasionally kill mice if you own enough snakes if you want to keep those snakes alive!

Also, I was under the impression that humans who had nearly died from freezing found it to be painless. They drifted off into a narcotic state and actually felt warm. So I never felt too bad about freezing rodents. When I freeze reptiles, I always refrigerate them first to get them in hibernation mode and then move them to the freezer after a few hours.

And for the thump/whack rodent trick, it seems to be a quicker death than being bitten and constricted. I witnessed hundreds, if not thousands of each. I grew up in a rural area and watched my father kill many rabbits and chickens for food, excluding the hunting we did. I've come to know it as part of life, I'm not squeamish about it, but would never take joy in it. I suppose I do enjoy a successful fishing or hunting trip, but it is not because I kill.

I am no sadist, although I do consider myself a realist regarding killing food items and sick animals.
 
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elrojo said:
Also, I was under the impression that humans who had nearly died from freezing found it to be painless. They drifted off into a narcotic state and actually felt warm
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Yeah but that's only once you have reached an advanced stage of hypothermia. You really suffer before hand, I watched a documentary on tv where they 'tested' how far man could go. Put some (crazy) guy into freezing conditions and monitored all his vitals. He went through some really scary stages (confusion, numbness, searing pain) then when he started to 'feel' warm they gently brought him back to normal temps. Crazy, I know. But whatever makes good tv, huh?!!
 
ok so I opened a whole can of something with that...LOL I did stab to death two field mice last night that had been terrorizing my house. Too bad Baby wasn't big enough to eat them. Of course the thought never crossed my mind that I could have bred them for the pinkies I so desperatly need. DUH??

When I freeze reptiles, I always refridgerate them first to get them in hibernation mode...
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Please tell me do I need to freeze my snake?? I am mortified!! I thought It would not need hibernation. Do I need to put baby in a gladware container on the second shelf in the freezer!!!???
 
Oh Dear.

You only freeze reptiles to kill them. Some people do use a fridge to brumate them but this is not always neccessary. I wouldnt worry about it for now.
 
maiden,
How on Earth could two little field mice be 'terrorising' your house?? In future, why not try the humane mouse traps and set them free somewhere far from your house. Stab them to death....Christ, what are we coming to??

Also, (and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here) I would not recommend breeding wild rodents for feeding your snake.
A) they would most probably not survive being in captivity (and if they did I doubt they would mate)
B) the whole parasite issue with wild rodents
 
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elrojo said:
In no way do I enjoy killing anything (well, except a house fly that's been harrasing me for a long time). But the truth of the matter is; you will have to feed live and occasionally kill mice if you own enough snakes if you want to keep those snakes alive!

I am no sadist, although I do consider myself a realist regarding killing food items and sick animals.
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I have to say I completely agree with the above post (forgive my edit). I too grew up in a rural area and have killed quite a few animals in my time. However I have never killed anything that wasnt either dying or destined for a stomach. Oh and a few flies :)

tina said:

I do like snakes and by necessity have to feed them mice, I would not be able to feed them live food and am quite glad that I can buy frozen mice to feed them. It is fascinating to watch them feed, but I know the meal isn't suffering during the process. Maybe I'm being hypocritical, after all I do eat meat.
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I think you are being slightly hypocritical. One of the things that always gets me going is people who will happily tuck into a mass produced steak or so-called 'free-range' chicken when all they have to do is open a sealed packet, but then cringe in horror and revulsion at the idea of actually killing something before they eat it. What you are eating is a dead animal, recognise that fact, justify it however you like and enjoy your meal. Just dont pretend you havent killed. You have by proxy. I suppose its a symptom of our modern convenience culture. I know people who cant even eat meat on the bone as its too 'animal' for them :rolleyes:

I much prefer eating something ive caught and killed (although its rare that I do these days). At least that way I am reasonably sure it was 'free-range' and im sure that it was killed as humanely as possible. Tina, how do you know that f/t mouse that you are feeding your snake died in a 'nice' way? More than likely it was gassed in a batch with several dozen other mice and then washed to remove all the faeces so it was presentable.

I have worked in slaughter house's they are not nice places. All the right procedures are in place to ensure that the animals die as easily as possible but the people working there get complacent and desensitised to their suffering. Im not saying this is neccesarily the way in mouse factories but I can hardly see it being much different. Minimum wage + mass production + live animals = cruelty.

The major difference between feeding f/t and feeding live is that in the first case the suffering took place somewhere else. Hence its easy to ignore, hence you can ignore the fact that your pet has ended a life in order to survive. Just like most people do every time they eat an animal product.

BTW, if I have come across as abusive here I apologise, its a subject that gets me riled. Just dont mention Fox hunting ;)
 
I guess my original response was not directed at elrojo but directed at the way Maiden was "enjoying" watching her snake eat live prey, and thought hitting them on the head sounded the "sadistic" way to go, i.e. once again a hint of enjoyment in that (followed up by stabbing 2 mice!). I was not asserting that elrojo was being sadistic, he was just getting the job done.

Tina
 
I realise, this Tina, you post made it quite clear. I was not trying to suggest you were having a go at Elrojo, but mearly propounding my view of the general feeling in the thread.
Rex
 
I have developed a knack for changing thread themes...

New and wonderful pet suddenly goes into the morality of killing animals... :eek:

Yes, Maiden, you should NEVER freeze a snake unless you are putting it out of it's misery. With one pet snake, brumation will never be in order, either.

And hitting mice on the head is honestly the fastest way I have ever learned to kill them. I will freeze pinks and fuzzies, but once they are good and mobile, it's the best method I have...
 
In response to Tina-

Good luck with your baby. My two were born end of June and are the cutest things, the Amel is so mellow and the normal is very highly strung, when you go to pick him up he whips about for a few seconds before calming down, whereas the Amel you pick her up and she just hangs.

I have two snakes too. One is 1 1/2 months and the second 3 months. And boy are they different. The older one is so mellow and the second just is very hyper but clams down after being held for a bit. But I love totally love them both!

maiden- Congrats on your snake. Sounds like you have enough info. that I don't need to add anything more. Can't wait to see a some actually pictures of YOUR snake. :D
 
Yep, thread has slid way of topic. But then is that a bad thing? Seems to mimic a natural conversation.

And Tina I have wached snakes eat live prey and have to say I enjoyed it. It was not the suffering that was enjoyable but the focus and instincts of the snake at work. They are powerfull, impressive killers and I dont really think there is anything wrong with acknowledging that and even gaining pleasure from it.
 
OK all let's get this straight a bit. I never said I enjoyed atching critters die. I just said that watching the feed is interesting. And smacking a mouse on the head to kill it is sadistic. I am just trying to feed live to mimic his natural habitat. If I lived in a tank I would still want my steak medium well. You get it now. LOL

Also I have lived on a farm before and I rather enjoy live meat that is killed for the table rather than the meat that is bought from the store. It is always better when you do it yourself (like a deer or a chicken). For the simple fact that killing a deer is a triumph and the satisfaction that is gained from taking down a great buck with a bow (sometimes very difficult for you inexperienced) is wonderful.

I don't mind the thread going off track it is interesting just the same. LOL
 
Maiden,
Ok now your posts are really confusing me. You posted earlier on how you enjoy watching your snake eat live (and yes I'm sure for no sadistic reasons or whatever) but I thought you were forcefeeding your snake? Have I missed something? Or do you have more than one snake and I just missed the post where you stated that? :confused:
 
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he has been force fed in front of me and it was a live feeding but I will not allow it again if at all possible.

PS I haven't had him for that long so there was only the one (force) feeding
 
A LIVE force feeding?? Nuh uh, no way! I can't even begin to imagine how that's possible. Am I being really behind times here?? A live force feeding, that's surely a disaster waiting to happen!? So have you fed the snake yourself yet?
 
Ok ok, sorry, have just come back from holiday so didn't realise. Should've read the whole thing properly :rolleyes: Your supplier really has no clue...
 
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