Newbie corn owner!

[April0684]

Just got my Gatlin Tuesday! He seems to be doing well but still wanted to ask some questions to make sure I continue to do right by him. The pet store in my town is unfortunately going out of business so they are doing big close out sells trying to get rid of stuff. I've been wanting a corn for a very long time now so thought this would be a perfect opportunity. The pet store lady gave me a ton of information and sold me things that she said would be everything I needed for him. I've had misinformation from other pet stores growing up so thought I'd run everything by y'all.

His set up thus far is a 20g long aquarium, coco fiber substrate that was bought as a brick and had to soak to become what it is currently, a water bowl big enough that he can soak in, a half log hide, a decorative branch, a hygrometer that's stuck to the back about midway lengthwise and height-wise, a lid, two cage clip locks, two separate light fixtures one with a day bulb and the other with a night bulb and I switch them back and forth from day to night, a spray bottle that I use to mist the tank daily, and a plastic storage case with some holes that I can feed him in.

She said they've been feeding him one mouse once a week. He is fully grown according to her. Does that feeding schedule sound about right? Also are there any supplies that I don't have that I need for him?

 

[Dragonling]

Hi and welcome! :wavey:

:welcome:

If you don't have a kitchen scale, it might be something to look into picking up. Males tend to be extra efficient with their food, so if you notice too much weight gain you may want to bump him down to feeding every 10-14 days. My largest male typically eats a 20-25g mouse on that schedule and has gained another 100g since last June, about 1/5 of his current weight. He's getting a little extra right now because of the breeding season, at one per week, but once he's done doing his snakey business he'll be fed twice a month until next spring. I might even spread that out a little every now and then. If he gets too big, he'll squash the girls!

 

[Scrappyeddie77]

I don't use heat lights I use a heat pad and a thermostat to keep everything right
You might want to look into a good thermometer like this

The ones you stick to the tank don't really give you a good read of what the temps are inside the tank but they do tell the temperature of the glass.


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[Scrappyeddie77]

Btw is there any other pet stores where you live. You will need a place to get mice from or you can order some online which is what I do just seems easier to get 100 - 200 mice at a time frozen


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[Karl_Mcknight]

Just got my Gatlin Tuesday! He seems to be doing well but ...........

1). His set up thus far is a 20g long aquarium, coco fiber substrate that was bought as a brick and had to soak to become what it is currently...........

2). She said they've been feeding him one mouse once a week. He is fully grown according to her. Does that feeding schedule sound about right? Also are there any supplies that I don't have that I need for him?

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1. I've not tried the coco fiber myself so take this comment with a grain of salt - I've heard that it retains moisture really well.... "Too well." Too much moisture can be bad for corn snakes especially if they have to lay in it. It can lead to scale rot. Typical humidity requirements are about 40% except when shedding, you might want to boost it a bit. Most people here use Aspen Shavings, paper towels, newspaper, etc... Coco fiber is probably ok, just try to keep it dry.

2. About how big is the snake? Full grown would suggest about 4 feet, with a diameter about 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 inch in the middle. A snake that size would do fine with a 25 to 35 gram mouse every 14 days. (My snake is not quite full grown, he's 2 years, measures 42 inches long, weighs 344 grams and I feed him a "Large mouse" packaged size is 24 to 30 grams every Sunday morning. I plan to move him to a 10 day schedule when he passes 350 grams, and then a 14 day schedule at 400 grams.)

 

[April0684]

Hi and welcome! :wavey:

:welcome:

If you don't have a kitchen scale, it might be something to look into picking up. Males tend to be extra efficient with their food, so if you notice too much weight gain you may want to bump him down to feeding every 10-14 days. My largest male typically eats a 20-25g mouse on that schedule and has gained another 100g since last June, about 1/5 of his current weight. He's getting a little extra right now because of the breeding season, at one per week, but once he's done doing his snakey business he'll be fed twice a month until next spring. I might even spread that out a little every now and then. If he gets too big, he'll squash the girls!

Thank you for that advice! I will definitely try and pick one of those up this week.

I don't use heat lights I use a heat pad and a thermostat to keep everything right
You might want to look into a good thermometer like this

The ones you stick to the tank don't really give you a good read of what the temps are inside the tank but they do tell the temperature of the glass.


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I was looking at one of those at Petsmart yesterday while doing some out of town shopping. I ended up deciding I could probably pick one up for cheaper offline. Will add one of those to my list!

Btw is there any other pet stores where you live. You will need a place to get mice from or you can order some online which is what I do just seems easier to get 100 - 200 mice at a time frozen


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Yes, fortunately, the pet store lady also owns a grooming shop. It's right beside the pet shop. The grooming shop is going to be remaining open and she is going to continue selling the feeders from there.

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1. I've not tried the coco fiber myself so take this comment with a grain of salt - I've heard that it retains moisture really well.... "Too well." Too much moisture can be bad for corn snakes especially if they have to lay in it. It can lead to scale rot. Typical humidity requirements are about 40% except when shedding, you might want to boost it a bit. Most people here use Aspen Shavings, paper towels, newspaper, etc... Coco fiber is probably ok, just try to keep it dry.

2. About how big is the snake? Full grown would suggest about 4 feet, with a diameter about 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 inch in the middle. A snake that size would do fine with a 25 to 35 gram mouse every 14 days. (My snake is not quite full grown, he's 2 years, measures 42 inches long, weighs 344 grams and I feed him a "Large mouse" packaged size is 24 to 30 grams every Sunday morning. I plan to move him to a 10 day schedule when he passes 350 grams, and then a 14 day schedule at 400 grams.)

Oh wow, I didn't know that. She was telling me they like it moist and to keep it misted daily. The hygrometer is showing just a bit less than 40 at the moment. I wouldn't have a problem switching him over to aspen though if that is a safer option for him.

I believe that he is four feet not sure about diameter, sorry not good with measurements. I have taken a couple pics for y'all so maybe y'all can tell me.

 

[Dragonling]

I think the pet store lady thought she was selling you a ball python lol. Consider that corns live in the Southwestern US, not the Congo. Some humidity is great. Too much is asking for respiratory problems and water blisters. I've caught my fellow pet care associates giving equally bad advice, so it's not surprising you were told to keep him moist.

 

[April0684]

I think the pet store lady thought she was selling you a ball python lol. Consider that corns live in the Southwestern US, not the Congo. Some humidity is great. Too much is asking for respiratory problems and water blisters. I've caught my fellow pet care associates giving equally bad advice, so it's not surprising you were told to keep him moist.

Oh ok, thanks so much for that information! So, should I still mist his tank some or do you think it would be fine without misting? I'll be switching him over to aspen substrate since that seems to be the most recommended on here. Do you have any recommendations for a good brand of thermometer with probe that I could buy online? I'm still going to be picking up a kitchen scale too so I can properly weigh him. I went by the pet shop today and bought a live mouse but he didn't want it. Will be trying it again later this evening. They sell frozen too, is there a preference of which is better to be giving him? She said he has been getting only live so it may take a few trys to get him over to frozen which is why I went with live today.

 

[Scrappyeddie77]

This is the aspen I use now but I have seen another kind that has smaller bits

I just don't like the big chunks of it just my opinion


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[Scrappyeddie77]

And I don't ever mist mine


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[Dragonling]

I've also never misted my snakes, even in our dry winters, though I might have if I were using a tank instead of a rack system. Screen tops are quite a bit more open, where racks hold humidity pretty well as long as you've got a large enough water bowl.

 

[April0684]

This is the aspen I use now but I have seen another kind that has smaller bits

I just don't like the big chunks of it just my opinion


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And I don't ever mist mine


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Thanks good to see an example that I can go by for his substrate. I'll also do away with the misting. He's been burrowing some in the substrate whereas when it was moist he could not. He seems to be enjoying being able to do that now.

I've also never misted my snakes, even in our dry winters, though I might have if I were using a tank instead of a rack system. Screen tops are quite a bit more open, where racks hold humidity pretty well as long as you've got a large enough water bowl.

I was wondering if this thermometer with a probe would be a good brand to pick up for him. That way I will know for sure what his temps are. What do you guys think? https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-0206...99&sr=8-2&keywords=accurite+thermometer+probe

Also, I tried feeding him the live mouse again a couple of hours ago left him in there for a good ten minutes but still a no go. Should I be leaving him for longer or shorter? I'm a bit worried cause the pet store lady said he had been eating weekly on Mondays. She did feed him in front of us Tuesday when I purchased him. Today makes a week for him so by his past schedule he should be hungry. I'm hoping maybe he's not because he is getting adjusted to being here in his new home. Any opinions or advice on what that could be about would be appreciated!

 

[Scrappyeddie77]

They usually take time to adjust. I just skipped ten days on my little babies I was sick and didn't have the energy to deal with them. And I have had a ball python go for about 7 months without feeding before he finally did. That was back when wild caught ones were all over. I did try every week but he would just watch it and I even tried the black gerbil and it was hard to find a black one. When he finally did eat he was no worries after that.

And that thermometer is fine. I like one on each side of my viv but that is not really necessary. I just like to know the temps. And if one messes up you can tell easily if one says 85* on the hot side and the other is at 180* on the cold side. You know something is wrong with one. A heat gun would help there but I like the option to walk by and say all good without taking the tops off.

I hope this helps


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[April0684]

They usually take time to adjust. I just skipped ten days on my little babies I was sick and didn't have the energy to deal with them. And I have had a ball python go for about 7 months without feeding before he finally did. That was back when wild caught ones were all over. I did try every week but he would just watch it and I even tried the black gerbil and it was hard to find a black one. When he finally did eat he was no worries after that.

And that thermometer is fine. I like one on each side of my viv but that is not really necessary. I just like to know the temps. And if one messes up you can tell easily if one says 85* on the hot side and the other is at 180* on the cold side. You know something is wrong with one. A heat gun would help there but I like the option to walk by and say all good without taking the tops off.

I hope this helps


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Thank you, that does make me feel better that hopefully he is just adjusting to being here in his new home. I'm glad, I bought it yesterday and had it next day shipping. It should be coming a little later this afternoon. I also got a kitchen scale. My next questions are, any tips on how to get him to stay still long enough to weigh him? As soon as I sit him on the scale he goes slithering off so it's tough to get an accurate reading. From what I was able to get was 60 ounces. Does that sound about right for him? Also, for the thermometer, where do I need to place the probe right on top of the substrate under the heat lamp?

 

[April0684]

Ok, so I've just finished doing some research on this forum and see that most of the members here seem to use an under tank heater versus the heat lamp. So I went on Petsmart and Amazon and made several new purchases for Gatlin hoping to get things set up better for him. Here are the things I've gotten for him so far:

Going to be switching him over to this substrate as soon as it comes in:
http://www.petsmart.com/reptile/sup...oo-medandtrade-aspen-snake-bedding-14984.html

New water bowl for him:
http://www.petsmart.com/reptile/sup...ng-things-reptile-bowl-38653.html?cgid=500027

New hide for him:
http://www.petsmart.com/reptile/sup...-things-reptile-refuge-14750.html?cgid=500027

New plant for him:
http://www.petsmart.com/reptile/sup...amapallo-plant-replica-14964.html?cgid=500027

Got a cool looking background for him:
http://www.petsmart.com/reptile/sup...ing-reptile-background-14943.html?cgid=500027

Under tank heater got the 8w since it said for 10-20g:
http://www.petsmart.com/reptile/sup...andtrade-reptile-under-tank-heater-14819.html

Temp gun:
https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Las...rgrip+1080+non-contact+digital+laser+infrared

Thermomstat:
https://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-MT...86682056&sr=8-1&keywords=hydrofarm+thermostat

Hopefully, all these products are good and everything I will be needing to get him a set up like the majority of y'all have for yours! :dancer:

 

[Scrappyeddie77]

Wow someone went on a shopping spree
And to weigh him put a plastic box on the scale then zero it out with the box on it then put your snake into the box
And btw most of all of use grams not ounces
I know we live in "Merica" but most of the world is on the metric system
Go figure


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[Scrappyeddie77]

And I put the probe on top of the aspen that way if your snake wants it hotter they can just dig down


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[April0684]

Ha ha, yes I did! Ah ok, that sounds much simpler. Will give weighing him another shot tomorrow. I've noticed that too lol. Hoping I can convert ounces to grams online.

I put the probe on top of the substrate under the heat lamp and just as I was afraid of the temperature was reading way too high. Another reason why he may not be eating. Hoping the stuff I ordered will get here shortly so I can get his temperatures sorted out.

 

[Karl_Mcknight]

ounces to grams - 1 oz. = 28 grams.

examples - 300 grams is (300 divided by 28) = 10.7 ounces,
or, .36 ounces is (.36 X 28) = 10 grams

You can also use a Kitchen Scale (Food Scale), that's what most of us use, and most of them are switchable between ounces and grams.

 

[April0684]

Thank you! Yes, I just bought a kitchen scale but unfortunately mine doesn't give the option of switching it to grams.