Normal/wild type?

[gekkos]

Hey everyone.
Im a new cornsake owner. I had just recently purchased my 4 month old corn about a month ago. Im not too familiar with corn morphs as I've only had pall pythons and geckos up untill now.

I believe may baby is a normal. From what I've read there are a few different "types" of normals/wildtypes such as Okeetee, miami etc. Please correct me if im wrong about this.

Could someone identify my baby? Im not really 100% sure what to look for in difference between say Okeetee and miami so if someone could explain i'd be very thankful. Im not too concerned what type he is, as he is just a pet and will not be used for breeding. Not that it matters too much the breeder i purchased him from said he was het for anery, and amel? And possible het for caramel stripe and hypo?

Anyway here are a few pics of him. Any feedback wpuld be appreciated.

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[Firefly151]

I am also a new snake owner so take my advice with a grain of salt, But I like to look at this page to see all the different morphs.

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/


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[DollysMom]

The head pattern looks normal, but I think there's something going on with the belly checkers. Perhaps hypo? Beautiful snake. Congrats.

Definitely not an Okeetee or Miami phase.

Unless you are breeding or selling for a higher than normal price, it doesn't really matter, but I understand that you'd like to know.

 

[axis1]

maybe a some years later it's be getting wild..

Huh? :eek1:

 

[Dragonling]

Huh? :eek1:

:shrugs: Responses are almost bot-like but mostly on topic, so I dunno. Poor communicator? Young? Not a clue.

 

[gekkos]

:shrugs: Responses are almost bot-like but mostly on topic, so I dunno. Poor communicator? Young? Not a clue.

Me? As in in original poster? Yeah im a little confused. Its not a huge deal what morph he is as im not breeding. Was just curious as i this is my first corn.

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[DollysMom]

We are all a little confused by the comments of the poster from "search engine", gekkos.

As to the morph of your snake, I'm hoping a breeder will weigh in, but again, I believe that the belly pattern may indicate something more than normal. In the meantime, your little snake is so cute. I love its eye, btw. For now I'd say normal, but it may be hypo or something else. Is there any true black on your snake at all? The checkers I can see are not true black and it is hard to tell on the saddle borders which are very thin. If they are truly black then I'd call it a normal. A beautiful snake in any case.

 

[gekkos]

We are all a little confused by the comments of the poster from "search engine", gekkos.

As to the morph of your snake, I'm hoping a breeder will weigh in, but again, I believe that the belly pattern may indicate something more than normal. In the meantime, your little snake is so cute. I love its eye, btw. For now I'd say normal, but it may be hypo or something else. Is there any true black on your snake at all? The checkers I can see are not true black and it is hard to tell on the saddle borders which are very thin. If they a true black then I'd call it a normal. A beautiful snake in any case.

Thank you. I think he's beautiful regardless what he is i took some close up photos. Its really hard to tell if the checkers and saddle boarders are true black. up close in person they appear to be a mocha brown color and carmel brown in some areas. My phone is notorious for slightly different colors captured when i take pictures but her are some up close of those areas.

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[DollysMom]

Mocha brown is still brown. In any case a stunning snake!

 

[Pilarcoder]

Looks just like my baby kaa, I'm going off Ian's Vivarium website too in pretty sure that's an Alabama "normal" type that we have I hope I'm right too because the adult Alabama corns are beautiful

 

[NiklasTyreso]

I think it is a normal hypo with grey coloration.

 

[DollysMom]

I was thinking hypo as well. I'm hoping Shiari or Dragonling, or another breeder who knows their morphs will weigh in.

 

[Dragonling]

:shrugs: Non-solid belly checks and head pattern might suggest some emoryi influence? Otherwise looks normal/WT. I'd expect more red or at least paler color in the iris for hypo.

 

[HerpsOfNM]

That yellow pre-ontogenic color change dorsal marking and those brown blotches smell of the sweetness of caramelization....

EDIT: Added photos for comparison of caramel vs normal, granted these are much younger than OP's snake, but you can still see the variation.

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/?m=caramel - Caramel also has a natural reduction in melanin associated to it; blotch borders and belly checkering may have a discernable difference over what is considered a more classic border or checker. Even then, wild snakes can have such natural variation.


CC2014-FBSC-001-7-13-2014 by Chris Cirrincione, on Flickr


CC2014-FBSN-005-7-13-2014 by Chris Cirrincione, on Flickr

 

[DollysMom]

Wow, the yellow went right past me. I totally missed seeing it.

 

[Dragonling]

Explains the greenish eyes pretty well, though I wouldn't expect a caramel to have such orange colored saddles. Caramel was never something I paid much attention to.

 

[HerpsOfNM]

Explains the greenish eyes pretty well, though I wouldn't expect a caramel to have such orange colored saddles. Caramel was never something I paid much attention to.

Going the attachment route...I hope, might have to shift gears to flickr.

1 & 2...caramel and caramel tessera OOE. The caramel refused to eat and eventually passed later that year (2013). The caramel tessera here is my ever wonderful Thor. These were taken 7-17-2013.

3, 4, and 5...post-hatching shed 7-26-2013. only 5 attachments allowed, so posting a reply to this reply

 

[HerpsOfNM]

This photo is hatchling vs yearling progression:


Thor-CC14-FBSCT-013 by Chris Cirrincione, on Flickr

Attachments:
Photos 1 & 2, Thor's August 2013 progression...

Photos 3 & 4, by Sept 2013.

I hatched a non-tessera caramel in 2014, but I don't seem to have photos of it beyond hatchling. Unfortunately for the sake of this thread, tessera seems to amplify coloration and non-tessera, normal-blotched siblings seem to also benefit from this; there appears to be a clarity/cleanliness associated to them.

 

[gekkos]

Hey everyone thanks for all the great input. My snake has been changing colors. He recently seemed to have gone through a growth spurt. He has an interesting look to him now. His head has much more color to him than the rest of his body. He finiahed his shed not long ago but he looks like his lower half is dull like in shed. Here are some more recent pictures. I've noticed his darker colorations fading away. I know someone mentioned possible emoryi influence.

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[HerpsOfNM]

Gekkos, though there is a possibility of emoryi influence, I'd almost virtually rule it out. Though your white balance is off in that recent head shot, you can tell yellow is coming in where his hatchling/juvenile gray background is. The brown blotching is also a characteristic. If you reference the photos I provided above, you can see the "turning of the corner" the coloration starts to take with age. In post #18 (http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1714826&postcount=18) you can see recently hatched vs 1 year later does.

I still think he's a caramel corn; pretty confident in that.