jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
BRAVO!!
Out of curiosity...I lived in Cheektowaga for a short time....what store/shop is this?
regards,
jazz
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Pet stores bother me now...
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BRAVO!!
Out of curiosity...I lived in Cheektowaga for a short time....what store/shop is this?
regards,
jazz
JenniferInNY
New member
I don't remember the name.. It's in Amherst though, kind of a smaller place. I know it's been around for awhile, but, I just found the place last weekend. They actually told me to go home and research the corns before I bought one. It's right on Sheridan...
They also had a tarantula on hold that someone else had to research first..
Ugh, I'm going there to pick up crickets on the weekend, so I'll double check the name then.. It definitely had someone's name in the name of the store, but, I can't for the life of me remember what it was...
They also had a tarantula on hold that someone else had to research first..
Ugh, I'm going there to pick up crickets on the weekend, so I'll double check the name then.. It definitely had someone's name in the name of the store, but, I can't for the life of me remember what it was...
sandybunny
Bigger house=more snakes!
To everyone who hates pet stores and witnesses animals poor treatment, DID YOU SAY ANYTHING? It is foolish to complain, but then don't go to management and point something out. I have a Petco near me who have 2 ball pythons for sale. One of them is getting fat and growing and active. The other looks like it is starving and dying. I have spoken personally to the manager there about this snake on 2 occasions. I'm not afraid to speak up. I even offered to take the snake for a real low price just because I was worried for the snake and would like to rehab it. I even emailed corporate about the snake.
My point is, don't bash the stores if you just shake your head and walk out. You need to speak up and at least TRY to CHANGE the situation for the animals.
My point is, don't bash the stores if you just shake your head and walk out. You need to speak up and at least TRY to CHANGE the situation for the animals.
JenniferInNY
New member
Though, I may not be that discerning yet when it comes to reptiles.. It looked a whole lot better then anything else I've seen. But, I've seen pet stores that will sell you a monkey or parrot without making sure you know anything.. I thought the tarantulas and baby corns were in slightly smaller cages then they should be in, but, they were clean and the tarantulas had hides and appropriate substrate... So, better then I'm used to seeing..
Dreqqus
The Ring and The Arrow
Of the stores in my area, of which we have 9 here in knoxville, 4! big box style stores, 2 mall stores, and 3 privately owned, there is only one that I have had issue with. One of the big box stores, Superpets, constantly has everything they sell set up very poorly, the most heinous time I recall personally, they had a baby nile monitor, about 12 inches in the equivalent of a 75 gallon tank, which is acceptable. The problem is, that kept in the little Critter Keeper style cages within this enclosure, were a tarantula of some variety, an amel corn, a baby savanna monitor, and a California king. Those that know monitors, also know they are intelligent(or at the very least tenacious). It was but a matter of time, until everything in that cage was lunch. To top things off, the corn, and the king were selling for more than the Nile :shrugs: .
There was a short-lived and easily resolved issue with one of the Petsmarts. They were housing what must of been a nearly 2 foot floridana, with a little, maybe 8' milk snake hatchling. I told the guy there about kings' ophidophagus tendencies, but was brushed off, at which point I calmly drove home, printed off information on kings eating snakes, drove back, presented said information to the manager at which point he personally removed the smaller snake. So ultimately no harm no foul, but once again very confusing, even from the corporate, money driven standpoint, as the kings was $60, and the mil was selling for closer to $100.
Why oh why, would you want your high dollar items to become foodstuff for your low end merchandise
unch: .
There was a short-lived and easily resolved issue with one of the Petsmarts. They were housing what must of been a nearly 2 foot floridana, with a little, maybe 8' milk snake hatchling. I told the guy there about kings' ophidophagus tendencies, but was brushed off, at which point I calmly drove home, printed off information on kings eating snakes, drove back, presented said information to the manager at which point he personally removed the smaller snake. So ultimately no harm no foul, but once again very confusing, even from the corporate, money driven standpoint, as the kings was $60, and the mil was selling for closer to $100.
Why oh why, would you want your high dollar items to become foodstuff for your low end merchandise
unch: .I have a petco here that never has more then 3 baby corns together (and ONCE I saw 2 BPs together) but the corn enclosure is the size of a 20gal long. I would buy more from them but.. -=groans=- They keep their geckos on SAND! idjgvihgb
Even the local mom and pop pet store makes me cringe. 3 yearling corns in a 10 gal, like 15 BPs of various ages together, and when I told him I already had a baby on order from SMR, he told me that it's not good to order snakes over the internet because it KILLS THEM.
...whaaaaa?
Even the local mom and pop pet store makes me cringe. 3 yearling corns in a 10 gal, like 15 BPs of various ages together, and when I told him I already had a baby on order from SMR, he told me that it's not good to order snakes over the internet because it KILLS THEM.
...whaaaaa?
DJShoemaker
New member
I started reading this because I have a real problem with the way some pet stores treat their animals. Not just the reptiles, but also the cats. dogs, birds, and mice and rats. I have worked with several organizations, including the ASPCA, to implement a regulations on a minimum training program for all pet store employees and owners. This would include training on the husbandry of all animals that the store will be selling.
While this type of rant is usually ineffective, I can see how it is frustrating to go into a pet store and see snakes being treated the way they should not be. I didn't see any of the people saying every store does this. But they were referring to stores they had visited. I do not see harm in people voicing their frustration on a forum such as this. After all, if you don't agree with their statements, you can simply not read the thread. However, half way through I read the post from tyflier and his subsequent responses to people and got really, really confused to his stance on the matter.
First he says, if you are complaining about a store you shop at
And when jazzgeek said
My questions to tyflier are this:
1. Why don't people have the rights to complain about the bad treatment by pet stores of cornsnakes on a cornsnake forum?
2. Are you saying if you don't like the treatment in a store don't go in it so you don't see it or complain about and make changes by getting regulations past? Even though it is your belief, no one will have the ability or knowledge to make these regulations.
Sorry to stir the pot. But I do not like it when someone says that others have no rights to do something just because that person doesn't like it or agree with it.
Sincerely
Donna J Showmaker
While this type of rant is usually ineffective, I can see how it is frustrating to go into a pet store and see snakes being treated the way they should not be. I didn't see any of the people saying every store does this. But they were referring to stores they had visited. I do not see harm in people voicing their frustration on a forum such as this. After all, if you don't agree with their statements, you can simply not read the thread. However, half way through I read the post from tyflier and his subsequent responses to people and got really, really confused to his stance on the matter.
First he says, if you are complaining about a store you shop at
and
. For some people, this is their only store to shop at. Just because they shop there, they absolutely DO have a right to complain. Many people have died for all of us to have that right.
And when jazzgeek said
, which is exactly what tyflier said by saying if you don't go in a bad store you will never see the bad things so they do not exist, tyfliers response was
. Although when someone else made reference to government regulations to control the treatment of reptiles in retail stores tyflier said this
and
.
My questions to tyflier are this:
1. Why don't people have the rights to complain about the bad treatment by pet stores of cornsnakes on a cornsnake forum?
2. Are you saying if you don't like the treatment in a store don't go in it so you don't see it or complain about and make changes by getting regulations past? Even though it is your belief, no one will have the ability or knowledge to make these regulations.
Sorry to stir the pot. But I do not like it when someone says that others have no rights to do something just because that person doesn't like it or agree with it.
Sincerely
Donna J Showmaker
DaGiant
DaBig Guy retired to MS
Management of the stores are at fault.. I've owned
and worked at "Pet Stores" and have not had a problem
with ANY animal I was in the care of.. but I recently left a
"Part Time" job at a PETCO when the night manager blasted
me in front of a customer for selling her a UTH for her new tank
purchased for a snow corn.. She said I didn't know what I was
talking about and that they need only heat lamps..
then was going to sell them PINE shavings for it!! I went to the
Love's book they sold and pointed out to the customer what I was
saying.. I sold a Snake, 10gal tank, lg bag of aspen, hide, water dish,
UTH, a vine, oh AND the book... Congratulated the customer then
followed them out the door..
The Store Manager called today wanting me to go talk to her
in the morning.. maybe I'll be back (with changes)..
Management can/does make a difference..
and worked at "Pet Stores" and have not had a problem
with ANY animal I was in the care of.. but I recently left a
"Part Time" job at a PETCO when the night manager blasted
me in front of a customer for selling her a UTH for her new tank
purchased for a snow corn.. She said I didn't know what I was
talking about and that they need only heat lamps..
then was going to sell them PINE shavings for it!! I went to the
Love's book they sold and pointed out to the customer what I was
saying.. I sold a Snake, 10gal tank, lg bag of aspen, hide, water dish,
UTH, a vine, oh AND the book... Congratulated the customer then
followed them out the door..
The Store Manager called today wanting me to go talk to her
in the morning.. maybe I'll be back (with changes)..
Management can/does make a difference..
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
I have responded with my opinion on this matter many, many times, and perhaps with repetition, I am failing to make myself clear. I will try to answer your questions, and clear the confusion about my opinions.
1-People who spend money in a pet shop that they consider "bad", do not have a right to complain simply because they are the ones which allow these stores to remain open, and continue treating animals poorly. Perhaps "you have no right" was a poor choice of words on my part. Ultimately, I firmly believe that if you are going to save $2 by shopping for your hard and material goods at a "bad shop", you are at fault for the conditions of these animals. It is YOUR money that allows the shop to continue to be open.
2-What I am saying is that if you don't like a shop, you don't spend your money there. Spend the extra $2 to shop at the GOOD store, and help them stay open. If the "bad shop" is the only shop in town...order online. Do whatever it takes to make sure that you never give a bad pet store one penny of your money. If you have to drive an extra 5 miles...so be it. If you need to order 3 weeks in advance of "necessity" from the internet...so be it. Spending ANY money in a bad pet shop only contributes to their bottom line, which will, ultimately, lead to the mistreatment of other animals.
Some other points you made(all valid, if you misunderstand my position) regarded my stance on regulatory bodies. There are virtually no regulatory bodies as regards the care and husbandry of reptiles. There ARE regulatory bodies as regards the health and safety of consumers. If you see horrid and horrible conditions in a local pet shop, and you report them to the health department or the department of fish and wildlife, they can make an investigation into the claims, and, ultimately, force a bad shop to close down, or at least clean up and take better care of the animals. The shop won't be closed because they take bad care of their snakes. But they CAN be closed for creating an unhealthy environment for patrons of the shop and/or surrounding and neighboring shops. That is MUCH easier to accomplish than getting the ASPCA to stand and fight for a bunch of snakes. This goes along with my statement about getting petitions and registering public grievances. You need to get these petitions and complaints to the correct bodies of regulation in order for something to be done. Every claim of unhealthy conditions for patrons *should* be investigated in a timely manner. And yes...co-habbed snakes that are crawling in their own feces will be investigated to the detriment of the shop owner.
Ultimately, my problem is not with the complaints. My problem is simply that 90% or more of the people that post complaints of this nature on a forum of this nature will turn around and save themselves $2 by continuing to shop for their substrate, enclosures, water dishes, thermostats, lightbulbs, UTHs, and many, many other hard goods at these same shops. Why? Because it's cheaper, or closer, or more convenient. But ultimately...it is THESE purchases that keep a pet store afloat...NOT the animals. A store's profit comes from the material goods, not the animals. Animals are very much secondary to the daily maintenance materials that people purchase. Sure...the complainers may not purchase their snakes from these shops. But they are continuing to purchase their materials and hard goods from these shops, which, ultimately, is what keeps them open and allows them to continue to treat the animals in the manner which they do.
And no matter where you live...you have other options. The internet is an incredible place to buy supplies. And if you shop around enough, you can get them for the same price(even after calculating shipping) as you would from a local shop.
I agree that it is very frustrating and disheartening to see animals improperly cared for by the people who are supposed to know better. I see it alot. But I don't come on here and complain. What I do is tell everyone I see that the shop is horrible, and that they take horrible care of their animals. If I can(or if it is necessary), I file public grievance complaints with the health board, and HAVE seen at least 1 shop shut down for these conditions. What else I do...I spend the extra $2 and go to a GOOD shop that takes proper care of their animals. I spend my money at the shops that deserve to HAVE my money, rather than the ones I deem "bad shops". And because of the things that I do in this regard...I don't have to complain, because I know first that I am doing everything I personally can to change a bad situation, and second, that my money goes where it SHOULD be going.
Also, and for the record...I have gone into shops and "educated" the management and seen tremendous turn arounds for both the animals and the customers. Not all "bad shops" are that way because they don't care...some truly don't know. These ones deserve a "second chance", IMO...
I hope my position is more clear...
1-People who spend money in a pet shop that they consider "bad", do not have a right to complain simply because they are the ones which allow these stores to remain open, and continue treating animals poorly. Perhaps "you have no right" was a poor choice of words on my part. Ultimately, I firmly believe that if you are going to save $2 by shopping for your hard and material goods at a "bad shop", you are at fault for the conditions of these animals. It is YOUR money that allows the shop to continue to be open.
2-What I am saying is that if you don't like a shop, you don't spend your money there. Spend the extra $2 to shop at the GOOD store, and help them stay open. If the "bad shop" is the only shop in town...order online. Do whatever it takes to make sure that you never give a bad pet store one penny of your money. If you have to drive an extra 5 miles...so be it. If you need to order 3 weeks in advance of "necessity" from the internet...so be it. Spending ANY money in a bad pet shop only contributes to their bottom line, which will, ultimately, lead to the mistreatment of other animals.
Some other points you made(all valid, if you misunderstand my position) regarded my stance on regulatory bodies. There are virtually no regulatory bodies as regards the care and husbandry of reptiles. There ARE regulatory bodies as regards the health and safety of consumers. If you see horrid and horrible conditions in a local pet shop, and you report them to the health department or the department of fish and wildlife, they can make an investigation into the claims, and, ultimately, force a bad shop to close down, or at least clean up and take better care of the animals. The shop won't be closed because they take bad care of their snakes. But they CAN be closed for creating an unhealthy environment for patrons of the shop and/or surrounding and neighboring shops. That is MUCH easier to accomplish than getting the ASPCA to stand and fight for a bunch of snakes. This goes along with my statement about getting petitions and registering public grievances. You need to get these petitions and complaints to the correct bodies of regulation in order for something to be done. Every claim of unhealthy conditions for patrons *should* be investigated in a timely manner. And yes...co-habbed snakes that are crawling in their own feces will be investigated to the detriment of the shop owner.
Ultimately, my problem is not with the complaints. My problem is simply that 90% or more of the people that post complaints of this nature on a forum of this nature will turn around and save themselves $2 by continuing to shop for their substrate, enclosures, water dishes, thermostats, lightbulbs, UTHs, and many, many other hard goods at these same shops. Why? Because it's cheaper, or closer, or more convenient. But ultimately...it is THESE purchases that keep a pet store afloat...NOT the animals. A store's profit comes from the material goods, not the animals. Animals are very much secondary to the daily maintenance materials that people purchase. Sure...the complainers may not purchase their snakes from these shops. But they are continuing to purchase their materials and hard goods from these shops, which, ultimately, is what keeps them open and allows them to continue to treat the animals in the manner which they do.
And no matter where you live...you have other options. The internet is an incredible place to buy supplies. And if you shop around enough, you can get them for the same price(even after calculating shipping) as you would from a local shop.
I agree that it is very frustrating and disheartening to see animals improperly cared for by the people who are supposed to know better. I see it alot. But I don't come on here and complain. What I do is tell everyone I see that the shop is horrible, and that they take horrible care of their animals. If I can(or if it is necessary), I file public grievance complaints with the health board, and HAVE seen at least 1 shop shut down for these conditions. What else I do...I spend the extra $2 and go to a GOOD shop that takes proper care of their animals. I spend my money at the shops that deserve to HAVE my money, rather than the ones I deem "bad shops". And because of the things that I do in this regard...I don't have to complain, because I know first that I am doing everything I personally can to change a bad situation, and second, that my money goes where it SHOULD be going.
Also, and for the record...I have gone into shops and "educated" the management and seen tremendous turn arounds for both the animals and the customers. Not all "bad shops" are that way because they don't care...some truly don't know. These ones deserve a "second chance", IMO...
I hope my position is more clear...
