Please Help Me ID this Odd-Looking Striped Morph the Just Hatched

[wendhend]

Tessera mot or stripe? The biggest telltale sign to me seems to be that the motley ones have that little break in the stripe just past their head. The normal one I hatched has a rather vanishing pattern but still the little break in the stripe.

I agree that for the most part, the motley tesseras do seem to have that break in striping at the neck, but I have found one exception, which is the cinder motley tessera that I hatched this season. Her striping does seem to thin out a bit at the neck but continues. Because her stripe is so prominent and has bulges in it, I think she is a motley tessera rather than a striped one. A lot of cinders (even without tessera in the mix) have head pattern that extends down the neck a ways into a stripe, so maybe just the fact that she is cinder makes her an exception? Her clutch also produced one regular cinder tessera and two hypo cinder tessera siblings, and they all have striping that extendes down the neck as well, unlike their two normal tessera siblings, which have the broken stripe at the neck.


Cinder Motley Tessera

 

[wendhend]

If anyone was still doubting our identification of striped tesseras as the vanishing-striped, reduced head-patterned, little-or-no lateral stripe pheno, my suspected tessera male came through: his girlfriend's modest clutch produced 2/8 definite tesseras.

The breeding was (presumed) Tessera Stripe het Blood, Pied 66% Hypo x Hypo Pied Blood. I deliberately chose a female without motley or stripe to avoid confusion and produce plain ol' tesseras.

Though I showed him earlier in the thread, for clarity, here is the male's hatchling shot again. Then a shot of his (very cloudy) progeny: a Pied(?) Bloodred Tessera on top, and a Hypo Tessera below.

Nice babies, Catherine! I would love to see how that pied(?) bloodred tessera turns out looking as an adult!

 

[ghosthousecorns]

What a gorgeous baby! I'd love to see pics of the clutch mates. You don't see that many tessera cinders!!
As far as your other baby, I can only really say that when I am ID'ing whether something is normal or hypo in a clutch, I go by comparison to the normal clutch mates if any, or by knowing the genetics of the parents. Hypo is a 4 letter word for a reason!

 

[wendhend]

Oof, I'd be afraid to guess. She does look paler, but without being really familiar with the line or seeing several in-person for comparison, I'm always afraid to guess hypo vs. normal when it comes to stripe combines. The amount of melanin reduction from the hypo gene, too, seems to vary so much from snake to snake that . . . :shrugs: But when in doubt, hope for the best!

Then again, I have to wonder if being het diffused from a line that has produced bloodreds with the pale masque heads could be coming into play here with her extra pale head? I do have one more clutch on the way from her tessera motley stripe het cinder hypo sire bred to a hypo het diffused lavender stripe dam, and that female I produced myself from a diffused hypo sire that did not have the masque look. Anyway the upcoming clutch will hopefully produce both hypo and normal striped tesseras for comparison.

 

[Isoldael]

If anyone was still doubting our identification of striped tesseras as the vanishing-striped, reduced head-patterned, little-or-no lateral stripe pheno, my suspected tessera male came through: his girlfriend's modest clutch produced 2/8 definite tesseras.

The breeding was (presumed) Tessera Stripe het Blood, Pied 66% Hypo x Hypo Pied Blood. I deliberately chose a female without motley or stripe to avoid confusion and produce plain ol' tesseras.

Though I showed him earlier in the thread, for clarity, here is the male's hatchling shot again. Then a shot of his (very cloudy) progeny: a Pied(?) Bloodred Tessera on top, and a Hypo Tessera below.

Do you happen to have a picture of the sire as he grew older? I'm very curious to see how the faded look developed over time

 

[wendhend]

What a gorgeous baby! I'd love to see pics of the clutch mates. You don't see that many tessera cinders!!

Thank you! Here is a photo of the entire clutch, which was taken right after their first shed. I got one cinder, one cinder hypo stripe, two cinder hypo tesseras, one cinder motley tessera, one cinder tessera, one normal, two normal stripes, one striped tessera and two regular tesseras.


Motley stripe tessera het cinder hypo X amel het cinder hypo stripe clutch

As far as your other baby, I can only really say that when I am ID'ing whether something is normal or hypo in a clutch, I go by comparison to the normal clutch mates if any, or by knowing the genetics of the parents. Hypo is a 4 letter word for a reason!

Well, hypo stripe tessera is my best guess on this one, because she does look noticibly more pale compared to the other striped tessera in the clutch, and her parents both carry hypo and stripe with the sire being a tessera. But I agree that "hypo" is a four-letter word that can cause us lots of confusion. I'm really hoping to replicate this look in my upcoming clutch from a female hypo het diffused lavender stripe bred to the sire of this pale striped tessera (and ALL my other tessera clutches this season). They should start hatching within the next week.

 

[Isoldael]

Do you happen to have a picture of the sire as he grew older? I'm very curious to see how the faded look developed over time

Ah, and one more question regarding the tessera stripe with the faded stripe - was the female you used to prove him ever bred to a tessera male before? Thank you in advance!

 

[cturley]

Do you happen to have a picture of the sire as he grew older? I'm very curious to see how the faded look developed over time

Here ya go. He's completely patternless at this point. His belly is uncheckered (like a regular stripe's), though 9/10ths of his ventral scales have a dark orange wash.

Ah, and one more question regarding the tessera stripe with the faded stripe - was the female you used to prove him ever bred to a tessera male before? Thank you in advance!

Good question, but no. This was her first year breeding, and I've had her since she was a hatchling (so no previous owners could have bred her before she came to me). Also, the father is the only male tessera I own that's larger than 40g, so there's no chance another male somehow ended up with her by accident.

 

[Isoldael]

Thank you very much for the answer! I'm now convinced that I sold two tessera stripes as regular stripes last year. They were nearly identical to your male as hatchlings. I've repeated the same breeding this year, I'm already looking forward to seeing more of these vanishing stripe tesseras.

 

[Jessicat]

The breeding was (presumed) Tessera Stripe het Blood, Pied 66% Hypo x Hypo Pied Blood. I deliberately chose a female without motley or stripe to avoid confusion and produce plain ol' tesseras.

Though I showed him earlier in the thread, for clarity, here is the male's hatchling shot again. Then a shot of his (very cloudy) progeny: a Pied(?) Bloodred Tessera on top, and a Hypo Tessera below.

WOAH!!!! The questionable Pied Tess looks pied to me!! I'd love to see that beauty after it sheds. :dancer:

Amazing!! Dang it you guys, you are really tempting me to get into Tess! I really like those babies on the left of your group shot. Are those the Hypo Cinder Tesseras? It wouldn't surprise me if they were.. I seem to have a taste for expensive animals!! :laugh:

 

[wendhend]

I really like those babies on the left of your group shot. Are those the Hypo Cinder Tesseras? It wouldn't surprise me if they were.. I seem to have a taste for expensive animals!! :laugh:

Yes, the ones on the far left are the hypo cinder tesseras, and the one just right of them is the cinder tessera, who is one of several tesseras I produced with crazy looking patterns. No diffused in that one either.

 

[cturley]

Nice babies, Catherine! I would love to see how that pied(?) bloodred tessera turns out looking as an adult!

WOAH!!!! The questionable Pied Tess looks pied to me!! I'd love to see that beauty after it sheds. :dancer:

Thank you both! I'll post a shot of the little guy after he sheds. He definitely has larger white areas than the photo shows, so I'm hoping he really is Pied. In my experience, though, often more color fills in after a few sheds, so I hesitate to get too excited. :eek1:

 

[cturley]

Well, I finally got my boyfriend to help me pin him down, so here are some pics of the Pied Tessera het Stripe. Unfortunately, closer inspection has shown him to have two spinal kinks, which have appeared since hatch. The parents are unrelated, and I expect it's not genetic, but still . . . bummer.

 

[wendhend]

Well, I finally got my boyfriend to help me pin him down, so here are some pics of the Pied Tessera het Stripe. Unfortunately, closer inspection has shown him to have two spinal kinks, which have appeared since hatch. The parents are unrelated, and I expect it's not genetic, but still . . . bummer.

That's too bad about the kinks, but he's still neat to look at. Thanks for sharing!

 

[MysticExotics]

Well, I finally got my boyfriend to help me pin him down, so here are some pics of the Pied Tessera het Stripe. Unfortunately, closer inspection has shown him to have two spinal kinks, which have appeared since hatch. The parents are unrelated, and I expect it's not genetic, but still . . . bummer.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but have you considered growing him up and doing some test breeding?
As far as I know, no one has really (intentionally) done test breeding with (functional) kinked animals, to see if it is genetic or an incubation thing.
I like learning as much as I can about these things.

Gorgeous baby BTW.

 

[Zeina]

Even with his kinks he is so super beautiful! I love the pieds- the head and neck area looks so cool!
#Jealous!

 

[NI GUY]

Sorry for bumping up the thread guys but if read it up and down and still can't make sense of these corns I've hatched and I can see them folks here extremely experienced with striped tessera identification. I paired a tessera het anery, caramel, diffused, stripe, amel, hypo X an anery stripe het Amel (virgin poss hets etc unknown). Any idea folks which are 100% tessera stripes?










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[cturley]

My guess would be # 2, 3, and 4!

 

[wendhend]

My guess would be # 2, 3, and 4!

I agree that #2, #3 and #4 are probably the tessera stripes. See how all the others have stripes that break up into dotted lines down near the tail? That's what you pretty much always what you see on regular stripes. Tessera stripes seem to have solid stripes that go all the way down or vanish without turning in to broken up dotted lines down near the tail.

 

[NiklasTyreso]

If anyone was still doubting our identification of striped tesseras as the vanishing-striped, reduced head-patterned, little-or-no lateral stripe pheno, my suspected tessera male came through: his girlfriend's modest clutch produced 2/8 definite tesseras.

The breeding was (presumed) Tessera Stripe het Blood, Pied 66% Hypo x Hypo Pied Blood. I deliberately chose a female without motley or stripe to avoid confusion and produce plain ol' tesseras.

Though I showed him earlier in the thread, for clarity, here is the male's hatchling shot again. Then a shot of his (very cloudy) progeny: a Pied(?) Bloodred Tessera on top, and a Hypo Tessera below.

Post #39: You just proved that the phenotype discussed in this thread is: Homo stripe + het Tessera.

That post should be written into any book of cornsnake morphes and cornsnake history.