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Political Email

shed'n my skin said:
Joejr, why are my posts the only ones you are responding to or addressing when I am obviously not the only one here who disagrees with the OP? Is it because I have expressed my distate for people using this forum to discuss politics? And how is that any less general a chit chat than anything else non corn snake relative? And yes I do know the OP is not your own words. But you chose it and you posted it. I have every right that you do to express myself here.
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I've responded to quite a few posts, but then basically gave up because I'm not going to debate something with people who cannot get their point across without slinging names. And unfortunately I've learned over the years when debating politics that quite frequently people from 'the other side' resort to that sort of thing. So I've bowed out. However, I quoted a few of Dave's posts and I'm sure a few more in the first two pages. Your quote stuck out as one of the most recent ones I was willing to address.

I'm not saying you can't express yourself, I'm simply asking you WHY you are choosing to do so after clearly stating you don't enjoy political discussion on a corn snake forum? Guess I'm just confused... :shrugs:
 
Two reasons. One, because I thought I had a very good point that had not yet been brought up (the fact that threads like this can alienate your potential customers) and Two, I did want to thank Snake Dave and Jazz for having the staying power to continue trying to talk some sense ino people's thick skulls.
 
shed'n my skin said:
Two reasons. One, because I thought I had a very good point that had not yet been brought up (the fact that threads like this can alienate your potential customers) and
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Oh I'm well aware, and I've already made light of such comments to Dean and Jay via PM. If people are ignorant and childish enough to not purchase something from someone because they have a differing political view then perhaps they should go back to high school.

Two, I did want to thank Snake Dave and Jazz for having the staying power to continue trying to talk some sense ino people's thick skulls.
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I sure hope that you're not suggesting that someone who possibly agrees with any of the OP needs 'sense talked into them'.
 
Oh I'm well aware, and I've already made light of such comments to Dean and Jay via PM. If people are ignorant and childish enough to not purchase something from someone because they have a differing political view then perhaps they should go back to high school.
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Oh good! You, Dean, and Jay all made light of it in a PM. It's all settled then isn't it?
I sure hope that you're not suggesting that someone who possibly agrees with any of the OP needs 'sense talked into them'.
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Not any more than you or anybody else are saying a person who happens to DISagree with the OP needs sense talked into THEM. Funny how that works both ways, isn't it?
 
shed'n my skin said:
Oh good! You, Dean, and Jay all made light of it in a PM. It's all settled then isn't it?

Not any more than you or anybody else are saying a person who happens to DISagree with the OP needs sense talked into THEM. Funny how that works both ways, isn't it?
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I simply mentioned to Jay in an earlier PM that people would read the OP wrong and would decide not to buy snakes from me down the road. That's okay.

There is a difference. I never came out and said that anyone else needed 'sense' talked into their 'thick skulls'.
 
Do any of you realise just how twitchy I've become in the preparation of the post? I know that one spelling mistake will see me lynched.
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I realize it fully..*LOL*

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
And if you go back and read the whole thread, a lot of other people said a lot worse than that.
However, I apologise for that remark if it hurt your feelings. I truly do not know if you have a thick skull or not ;)
 
I truly do not know if you have a thick skull or not
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I know Joe has a thick skull, but thats my own opinion.. Of course I agree with Joe too, I didn't expect this thread to go any other way than it did..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
I just want to stop and laugh at the fact that I was called a fanatical Christian, I apparently hate Gay Liberal Mexicans, and my religion was mocked multiple times lol.

First off, I have multiple gay friends whom I go to church with often and have to problem with. I have never stated that I hate Mexicans and would deny somebody anything based on religion, race, ethnicity, etc. Susang, that is a great scripture and I have actually done a sunday school lecture over it, but it really has little to do with the original scripture from Leviticus. I agree that you should love the Lord first, and love thy neighbor second, but as for homosexuality as a sin that the lord should give his blessing upon....a little different. Missskelington, you really need to get to know your Bible better sweetie. Leviticus is part of the Torah, is in the Old Testament, and was created as the word of God by the Jewish faith. So you're right...Christian's weren't the first, but I never claimed them to be. Clipclopclop I have no problem whatsoever with you or your partner, and I agree that you should have the ability to get a Civil Union as I stated in the first part of the post. I just also understand where the government could be worried about fraud. I hope that the gay community IS allowed to acquire a civil union, and I support your argument wholeheartedly.
 
shed'n my skin said:
Oh good! You, Dean, and Jay all made light of it in a PM. It's all settled then isn't it?
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Just to clarify, I have not discussed this thread, or politics in general, with Joe via PM, in person, or by any other medium. Joe and I have discussed the correlation between forum perceptions and the marketing of snakes before, but that's it. Political views were not part of those discussions.
 
TandJ -
I didn't expect this thread to go any other way than it did..
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Neither did I. I could go look through all the posts by people and find worse insults but why bother. It's just one of those agree to disagree things isn't it.
I'm truly hoping my posts rank high enough make your bafoon list!
 
Roy Munson said:
Just to clarify, I have not discussed this thread, or politics in general, with Joe via PM, in person, or by any other medium. Joe and I have discussed the correlation between forum perceptions and the marketing of snakes before, but that's it. Political views were not part of those discussions.
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So hey, I guess you're selling all my snakes this year and the evil KKK member will be shipping them out? Sound like a plan?
 
Pruddock said:
As for marriage in the Christian Church I know that a select few evangelical denominations have accepted same sex marriage, but I have to ask where your thinking could possibly be? I understand that there are many devoted homosexuals, but it is written in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin, and for the Christian church to be attacked because it won't allow it is quite humorous in my opinion. I have no problem with homosexuals, and I feel that they should be allowed into the church to worship and pray just as any other person, but marriage is a pact that is the act of God's blessing upon two people. It'll never happen.

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman."

It is a sin in God's eye and while I can understand that all people are sinners and that me using the f-word is just as much as sin as homosexual relations, He should not be held to bless such a matrimony. That said, I want to reiterate that I do believe that we should both be allowed to enter a Church, worship, and pray for forgiveness for our sins.
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Let's continue that one shall we? Leviticus 20:13: If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

I'm going to give you a quote back aside from this one. Try Matthew 7:12. If everyone can enter a church and be loved by God, then they can certainly be loved as they were made by everyone else.
 
Joejr14 said:
So hey, I guess you're selling all my snakes this year and the evil KKK member will be shipping them out? Sound like a plan?
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Hah! Maybe we should do that. I consider us to be partners in this hobby to a great extent. Our politics largely cancel each other out, so conservatives and liberals alike should be able to buy from us without compromising their principles! :grin01:

I honestly can't imagine blacklisting someone as a potential source of stock I wanted based on politics or almost any other opinions.
 
So would that make a moderate combo? I can deal with that..*LOL*

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Roy Munson said:
Just to clarify, I have not discussed this thread, or politics in general, with Joe via PM, in person, or by any other medium. Joe and I have discussed the correlation between forum perceptions and the marketing of snakes before, but that's it. Political views were not part of those discussions.
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My words exactly. Sorry to plagiarize Dean.
Jay
 
Pruddock said:
I just want to stop and laugh at the fact that I was called a fanatical Christian, I apparently hate Gay Liberal Mexicans, and my religion was mocked multiple times lol.

First off, I have multiple gay friends whom I go to church with often and have to problem with. I have never stated that I hate Mexicans and would deny somebody anything based on religion, race, ethnicity, etc. Susang, that is a great scripture and I have actually done a sunday school lecture over it, but it really has little to do with the original scripture from Leviticus. I agree that you should love the Lord first, and love thy neighbor second, but as for homosexuality as a sin that the lord should give his blessing upon....a little different. Missskelington, you really need to get to know your Bible better sweetie. Leviticus is part of the Torah, is in the Old Testament, and was created as the word of God by the Jewish faith. So you're right...Christian's weren't the first, but I never claimed them to be. Clipclopclop I have no problem whatsoever with you or your partner, and I agree that you should have the ability to get a Civil Union as I stated in the first part of the post. I just also understand where the government could be worried about fraud. I hope that the gay community IS allowed to acquire a civil union, and I support your argument wholeheartedly.
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Sorry Matthew 22:36-40 does make sense in this entire argument and so does the Torah. The Torah says all laws (commandments of God) come down to one "the golden rule". It doesn't say your neighbor you like or your white neighbor or your legal immigrant neighbor. If we can't love our neighbor as we love God we are very sad people. We can't just pick and choose scripture, to our pleasure or our needs. Luke 6:27-36...
 
I should have cropped some of the post I quoted from Dean. I shouldn't have copied the whole thing exactly. This is what I should have quoted.

Roy Munson said:
Joe and I have discussed the correlation between forum perceptions and the marketing of snakes before,....
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But as far as personal conversations between Joe and I about our political views were just that, personal conversations between Joe and I. I am sorry this thread took a horrifying turn as I do not think that was what the post was intended to do. But I would like to know what I posted that made me out to be a discriminating, racist, sexist, bigoted pig that is a member of the KKK? Not once did I call names or make reference to anyone on this forum nor would I. This was just supposed to be a discussion on certain beliefs that was supposed to be partaken by mature, intelligent people. Just because we have different views does not mean that we also are hate mongers. Instead this thread has turned into a bloody riot in the street. Just because I posted some of my feelings about the OP does not mean I have a hate towards any of the other members religious beliefs, sexual orientation, skin color, nationality or creed. All I can say is I am proud to be an American. There is no other country I would rather be a citizen of. I will state that I feel we are the best nation in the world. But that is my belief and I am entitled to it as you are yours. That is just one of the reasons that makes America the best country in the world. If I have personally insulted or offended anyone by my posts on this thread I am truly sorry as that is not what I intended. This will be my last post on this thread. I am starting to feel sorry I was ever part of it.
Jay :awcrap:
 
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