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Proposal regarding hybrids / pure corns
- Thread starter Isoldael
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Carpe Serpentis
Hybrid Snake Lover
Jkgeorge, I couldn't agree more with you. It is cheaper to take someone's word that a breeder has bred two snakes together than it is to prove it with dna testing which at best simply proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the progeny is from said snakes. Easier and cheaper, but not more accurate or precise by any means.
As for our hot gas comment... really? Is that all you have is a personal attack? Explain why you think it is hot air to dna test to prove parentage of the progeny you or others might produce.
As for our hot gas comment... really? Is that all you have is a personal attack? Explain why you think it is hot air to dna test to prove parentage of the progeny you or others might produce.
Carpe Serpentis
Hybrid Snake Lover
Seriously, calling me a carpet ser penis now? I admit my opinion may be different from yours, but can you please post an opinion without a personal attack.
For the record, I love hybrids as well as corns. I'm not wound up in proving anything to be pure as I'm attracted to beauty and not papers. But I definitely see how many like pure specimens. I'm merely pointing out a very obvious and easy method of keeping pure lines and documenting the crosses in such a way so as to end disputes bearing in mind that the original stock was beyond repute. One need only apply logic to the matter without resorting to belittling or name calling. But if it makes you feel big to attack someone rather than the idea then go right ahead. I really feel for those that want pure specimens. I honestly don't believe anything is pure even in nature, but that is my belief. I believe that most animals are in transition or going extinct. Speciation is an ongoing process and not static and unchanging. But again, that is my personal belief backed up by many different branches of science.
NiklasTyreso
New member
A good definition of a cornsnake should also specify behaviour patterns. I like corns as they used not to be agressive and they did not musk.
I think people that like to get bitten and musked on should breed other species than cornsnakes, just stop breeding such traits into cornsnakes.:fullauto:
I'm not against hybrids, I'm a 4 % neanderthal hybrid my self, but I like the good old nice tempered cornsnakes like they used to be.
Dale
Interventions won't work
That's my stand as well, which is why the whole "pure" thing doesn't interest me. That said, I have no interest in crosses like Kings x Corns etc, but I don't mind things so much that don't deviate from the particular species too much (i.e. Ultra gene).
For those that are into locality as their hobby, I could see this being something that would be in demand if the cost/benefit ratio ever comes down to earth.
Carpe Serpentis
Hybrid Snake Lover
I like your addition of defining a cornsnake by its behavior patterns if that is something all could come to an agreement on and I can empathize with you wanting a breed of snakes that does not musk or bite. Behavioral traits are something that can be breed for though. One need only look at different breeds of other pet animals that have been bred to see that this is possible over time. Take the jackal dog hybrids that have been breed to be superior sniffers for just one example. Many of those hybrids were not fertile, but through selectively breeding a sustainable fertile breed was created with good temperament. My point is though, even a hybrid where some traits may be less desired in that hybrid... you can still through selective breeding breed out those less desired traits and keep the positive traits that one actually desires or wants. It just takes a few generations and hard work like creating any line of top quality morphs entails. One might even say that it takes more work to create a hybrid corn snake that not only looks different, but has a decent temperament. Does that mean the work should not be attempted? I don't think not doing something just because it takes more work to get all the desired traits to settle in while weeding out the undesired traits is enough of a reason not to hybridize.
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
The vast majority of the corn population has great temperaments. Why not simply breed the most amiable tempered corns to other amiable tempered corns? There is ZERO reason to toss hybrids in there at all. Niklas is talking about what are considered pure corns, not hybrids/intergrades.
Why does everything have to be hybrids with you?
You have some interesting ideas, but you sound like a played out one trick pony tap dancing on a broken record. We all very clearly understand you like hybrids, but not every single thing has to be linked back to hybrids.
Why does everything have to be hybrids with you?
You have some interesting ideas, but you sound like a played out one trick pony tap dancing on a broken record. We all very clearly understand you like hybrids, but not every single thing has to be linked back to hybrids.
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
I wish!! But no.
I would have done it already, you know me -giggle-. The only reason I keep corns is because ball pythons don't come in a striking red...YET!!
Carpe Serpentis
Hybrid Snake Lover
All I am saying is that if one is going to be super serious about keeping corn snakes pure then a dna parentage test is a good way of keeping track of what is what and where something has come from. Now, if your spending $1000 dollars or more on a corn snake, I can't also see doing a parentage test to prove that snake is indeed from the parents one says it is. Its a good way to sell hets for 1000 dollar and up snakes as well. I mean, $30 dollars for a dna test to prove parentage just doesn't seem like much if one is already spending over $1000 for that corn. Obviously for lower end snakes the market would probably not warrant getting a dna test, but I personally would never spend more than 900$ dollars on a snake without also popping for a dna test to prove it is from the stock I'm told it is.
Carpe Serpentis
Hybrid Snake Lover
The comment, " I like corns as they used not to be aggressive and did they did not musk" implies that something was done or introduced into corns to cause this. While it is not stated, it is reasonable to imply that he is talking about hybrids here from this statement alone Baron.
Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
Or one in a hundred, if you have my luck & ratios. Or one in ten, if you have locality okeetees. Or one in one if you have sunkissed!
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
Which is why my comment of "Why not simply breed the most amiable tempered corns to other amiable tempered corns? There is ZERO reason to toss hybrids in there at all" makes a heck of a lot more sense contextually. Hybrids do not need to be included at all.
diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
Yep. Temperement can be bred for. I'll quote the totally awesome silver fox breeding projects. No hybridisation, pure selection for behavioural traits, proper scientific methodology, testing of genetics vs maternal influences, with bonus and unexpected links to morphological changes. their not sankes, but to me, they are fascinating.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...tten-russian-experiment-in-fox-domestication/