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Regurgitation issues continued

cobra314 said:
Here is another question. I was talking with my father and he asked are snakes supposed to keep all of the mouse down. He was thinking that after digesting most of the mouse they get rid of the skin/bones. Should they be digesting the entire mouse?
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Yes they will digest the whole mouse.
 
As your snake gets older, sometimes you will see mouse fur in the poop, but otherwise, everything gets digested.
 
I doubt he regurgitated on the 3rd night after feeding... the meal is digested by then. It Sounds like he just pooped. A regurgitation would smell like a dead animal in your house and make you gag

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Also I don't like the Munson plan either. It does seeem too aggressive and growing too quickly can shorten overall lifespan.

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ashleynicole said:
I doubt he regurgitated on the 3rd night after feeding... the meal is digested by then. It Sounds like he just pooped. A regurgitation would smell like a dead animal in your house and make you gag

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If his temps are a bit cool, digestion takes longer, and regurge could definitely happen on the third day. Even with warmer temps, I have had one snake regurge several days after eating.
 
I want to hear a description of what these frequent regurgitations smell like... only then will i be convinced. Many mostaken poor stools for a regurge because low temps can also result in poor stools with some "bits" and even good stools can be mistaken. People dont always know the white part of the stool is urates and perfectly normal

Plus the OPs temps sound suitable. Although going up to 86 wouldn't hurt.

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cobra314 said:
I have a thermometer in the tank and I also have a laser hand held. The mice have come from 4 different sources throughout this process. I did wait until after he pooped to weigh him. On the warm side it is 80-85 on the surface of the aspen and cool side is 70-75.
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I agree that these temps are too cool.

Where exactly is the probe of the thermometer placed? The temps need to be taken under the aspen on top of the glass directly over the UTH. I keep my temps at 86-87° according to the probe (the thermostat should be set at 87°), with just checking the top of the aspen it may be too hot or too cold depending on the room temp and you won't get accurate temps that way.
 
I have the thermometer placed on top of the aspen. It is approx. 85 on top of the aspen in the hide on the warm side. If the temp was 85 at the glass then it would only be high 70s on top of the aspen.

These regurges have not had bad odor, but they are clearly not poop. It is partially digested rodent with skin. Unless they are passing that then I would say it was a regurge.
 
cobra314 said:
I have the thermometer placed on top of the aspen. It is approx. 85 on top of the aspen in the hide on the warm side. If the temp was 85 at the glass then it would only be high 70s on top of the aspen.

These regurges have not had bad odor, but they are clearly not poop. It is partially digested rodent with skin. Unless they are passing that then I would say it was a regurge.
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hypnoctopus said:
After a regurge, definitely give him at least a week of no food and then a very small meal. I would cut slits in its back and also dust it with Nutribac.
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^^^This. Small, Slits, SLIGHT dusting of Nutribac. Slight. Not overloaded with Nutribac. Just a tiny dab of it on the head of the small mousie.
it is easiest to make the slits while the mousicle is still mostly frozen- thawed for a minute or two, so the knife will go through the skin easily but still solid inside.
 
cobra314 said:
These regurges have not had bad odor, but they are clearly not poop. It is partially digested rodent with skin. Unless they are passing that then I would say it was a regurge.
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No odor means it is most definitely NOT a regurge. Regurges are one of the worst smells you will ever smell in your life. And believe me, I'm a nurse and I have smelled some pretty bad things and most odors don't even phase me, but a regurge will make most people gag. It's like a dead animal that you can smell in your entire house.

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If it happens again I will take a picture. I can't see something this large coming out of the back end of a snake though.
 
I would not be so certain. They smell when they sit for any time or are on heat, but I've pulled my share out with no noticeable odor at all. I wouldn't want him being assured something was not a regurge that could be.
 
cobra314 said:
What about the thermometer location issue? At the glass or on top of the substrate and why.
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I like my digital temperature reader. Little handheld device, just point and press, instant reading. Allows me to instantly read the temperature in various locations.
$1.17 to $15.41 (ebay), also try amazon, home improvement stores, walmart, etc.

There's also a free andriod app but I have no idea if it's right for this instance.
 
cobra314 said:
What about the thermometer location issue? At the glass or on top of the substrate and why.
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Everything I've read says on the glass. My assumption is that's because they can burrow to the glass to get warmer if they want or sit up higher on the aspen to be a bit cooler. The glass would probably have to be pretty hot to get the top of the aspen up to 85...the wood and trapped air is going to insulate a fair amount. Also, unless you've got a proportional thermostat, you're going to get a temperature swing. Ours fluctuates from 84-88 according to the probed thermometer.

We keep the aspen fairly thin throughout the tank, but I usually put an extra little handful in the middle of the hides. On both sides I've seen our snake sitting on top of the pile, with his head sticking out of the pile, and sometimes he shoves it all into the opening and sits behind it when I guess he's feeling extra antisocial ;)
 
dave partington said:
I like my digital temperature reader. Little handheld device, just point and press, instant reading. Allows me to instantly read the temperature in various locations.
$1.17 to $15.41 (ebay), also try amazon, home improvement stores, walmart, etc.

There's also a free andriod app but I have no idea if it's right for this instance.
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I have one of those that I use also. I have been checking, rechecking, and then checking again since this all started.

Is there any diffinitive answer on whether the temperature on the warm side should be at the glass or on top of the substrate? That can be a really big difference. To me on top of the substrate seems logical. Why should they have to burrow beneath to get the proper temperature?
 
My snakes have had partial regurges that did not have a noticeable odor. In fact, they didn't even smell as bad as poop. If you've seen snake poop a number of times, you should be able to tell that it doesn't look like poop.
 
cobra314 said:
I have one of those that I use also. I have been checking, rechecking, and then checking again since this all started.

Is there any diffinitive answer on whether the temperature on the warm side should be at the glass or on top of the substrate? That can be a really big difference. To me on top of the substrate seems logical. Why should they have to burrow beneath to get the proper temperature?
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I think most people agree that the max temperature should be on the glass. Snakes burrow anyway, and if you have enough aspen, they can choose how far down they want to go to get to the heat. If the glass was really hot to get that 86 degree temperature on top of the aspen, they may burrow down and burn themselves.
 
hypnoctopus said:
I think most people agree that the max temperature should be on the glass. Snakes burrow anyway, and if you have enough aspen, they can choose how far down they want to go to get to the heat. If the glass was really hot to get that 86 degree temperature on top of the aspen, they may burrow down and burn themselves.
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I agree, I take my temps on the glass below the aspen.
 
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