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Reverse Okeetee...

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RobG

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This is my first time in these new forums. They are preety cool. I think I will have to come here more often now.

Here is a pic of my Reverse Okeetee. Its a nice close up of a few of her saddles. I like the two left saddles because they kinda connect and the red has infiltrated the normally orange dorsal spot.

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Here is a pic of her boyfriend. He is really special to me.

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Hope you like.

Rob G.
 
very nice looking, reverse okeetees are next on my must have list and a bigger house to keep them all in would be helpful to!!
 
How old are they?

Reverse Okeetees, like "Forward" Okeetees, have a bright orange background color. I wouldn't call those Reverse Okeetees. Take a look at the pics on SerpenCo of Amelanistic Okeetees, and you'll see what I mean. :)

This one doesn't have wide enough borders IMO, but here you can see the colors I'm talking about. ;)
http://serpwidgets.com/freepics/posts0602/Vic-Close-0602.jpg (changed this to a link because it was making everything annoying to read)
 
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These guys are just starting to color up now and are not adults. These are a special Reverse Okeetee cross and are NOT supposed to get that orange color. These were Reverse Okeetees made by Don Soderberg so you know these are top notch animals.They are supposed to have a Yellow ground color instead of an orange ground color. The female, top pic, looks more like a normal young Reverse Okeetee. But she will probably not get that dark. The male is keeping a Yellow ground color instead of that bright orange color. Don is going to call these "Butter Okeetees". These were made from crossing a Butter X Reverse Okeetees. I posted these last year on the Corn Forum. People don't like the name but if you look at the male you can see he is turning yellow. And with every shed and as he grows he is consistantly adding more and more yellow. He is getting better than I had anticipated. Hopefully with breeding these guys and in a generation or two I can help propagate these Butter Okeetees. I see them like Candy Canes you have to start somewhere and then improve on them by breeding trials. I also have the only female from that clutch.

Robert Gonzalez
 
RobG said:
They are supposed to have a Yellow ground color instead of an orange ground color.

...People don't like the name but if you look at the male you can see he is turning yellow.
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I like the colors on the yellow one. Very solid and non-speckled.

I do like the name "Butter Okeetee," but only if it's going to be applied to butter corns (Amelanistic Caramel) that would have big wide borders and some type of solid background color. IMO anyway.

It should be fun to see how that line of butters turns out. :)
 
OK, I'm looking at Serpwidgets really close up photo and this brings to mind something that has been bugging me for a long time now. If you look through Conant's guide or just about any other text that describes the corn snake, they will invariably say that one identifying feature of the corn snake is it's weakly keeled scalation.

Has anyone noticed that somehow we have lost those weak keels in some (many?) of the corn snake cultivars? I've been meaning to check to see exactly which ones no longer have them, but it has not been a real high priority with me. But certainly that photo drives home the fact, that it certainly is not present in all of the corns any longer. One sure giveaway is if your specimens have a glossy look to them, then they probably don't have the weakly keeled scales.

Perhaps this is one of those mutations that we just never really paid attention to along the road to working with color and pattern changes. What else might we have overlooked?

Maybe those few specimens that have the little extra punch to the colors are the ones that now have smooth scales.

OK people, break out your macro lenses and take some closeup photos of the scales to see what you can come up with. Maybe my eyes are just getting too feeble to see those keels any longer....
 
I've got a bunch of closeups I'll see if I can post Wed night. IIRC, keeling is the concentration of pigment toward the center of the scale? Would the opposite end of that spectrum be what we consider the "frosted" look?
 
I thought the keeling of the scale was the actual shape of the scale having a keeled line running down the center of the scale longitudinally.

Darin
 
Correct, a keeled scale has a raised line running the length of the scale. Now I'm getting all my corns out and checking out their scales. LOL, i should never had read this post!!
 
For Rich Z's request...

OK people, break out your macro lenses and take some closeup photos of the scales to see what you can come up with. Maybe my eyes are just getting too feeble to see those keels any longer....
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To not eat up space on Rich's server and since I can't post directly from my website (until I get a 'real' website without pop-ups, lol), I've included links here to pics of scale close-ups.

Website page with 10 large photos (beware if you only use a dial-up...)

Webpage with scales photos (dial-ups beware)



Enjoy!
 
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Darin is correct. The keel is a physical aspect of the scale, in that there is a lengthwise ridge running down the center of the scale. On a strongly keeled snake, it is very noticeable. Causes the animal to be generally duller in appearance and has a definite rough texture to the feel.

After looking at Hurley's photos, can anyone see even faint keeling on any of the scales of those corns?
 
I guess you have better eyes than I do.

Here's a photo I found out on the net showing a good example of what keeled scales look like.

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Notice those ridges running horizontally through each scale? Those are the keels. In Hurley's photos I do see reflections off of some of the scales that look similar to keeling, but it is not uniformly on all visible scales, as you would expect. Or do I need to start wearing bifocals? :eek:
 
That is what I am seeing also, the reflection off of them i think. But then again I am not there to get the magnafing glass to really look. :)
 
I think I see some on the snow motley pic (the 2nd one) but it's not nearly as obvious as the picture Rich posted.
 
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