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RI Treatment (How-to)

I have to say, if I resorted to trying the vapours, there's no way on earth I'd risk my snakes getting scalded being in a bag next to a cup of boiling liquid
 
Outcast said:
Change is always fought by those who want things to stay the same.

If it works, it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. Sounds to me like there are more people who have used this method, that say it works, than those who have used it and say it doesn't.
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My research on the subject has come to the same conclusion. I'd love to hear Lennycorns findings on the topic.
 
Outcast said:
Change is always fought by those who want things to stay the same.

If it works, it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. Sounds to me like there are more people who have used this method, that say it works, than those who have used it and say it doesn't.
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I don't want things to stay the same. That's why I donated a $200 gift card to the Kill Crypto auction. I just want to see it recommended by a vet, before someone who's kept snakes, for less than a year is making a "how-to" sheet on it. Do we know what the long term effects will be on the snakes lung? Much like Cedar chips, it's long term exposure that damages their lungs.
 
Carinata said:
I mean, you’re putting the snakes in bags and boiling a cup of water and putting it next to them. What if one of those snakes move in that bag and tips that thing of water? I’ve seen tons of snakes move a bag.

I mean you’re putting the snakes in close contact, as well, which opens up a whole new can of worms. To me, it seems reckless, and quite unsafe.
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Both of these things occurred to me as well. If I'd brought it up rather than David, would you be jumping all over me?
 
diamondlil said:
I have to say, if I resorted to trying the vapours, there's no way on earth I'd risk my snakes getting scalded being in a bag next to a cup of boiling liquid
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That's my other issue! It's so risky, that it's just plain reckless. Especially with big snakes.
 
diamondlil said:
I have to say, if I resorted to trying the vapours, there's no way on earth I'd risk my snakes getting scalded being in a bag next to a cup of boiling liquid
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The bag and open cup does look a bit worrisome, but you could pump the vapors into a separate container co2 chamber style. Seems like a technique that can easily tweeked to be safer.
Not that I'm advocating this idea over going to a vet.
 
It has been my experience that even some "reptile" vet's, like stated earlier, go with a much more conservative view.

Also, Since reptiles are not as well studied as other animals (had a long conversation about this with a Biologist at my school) I think that if someone is willing to try something new, and keep a good record of it, then it is worth a try.

Isn't Oren doing something that many people think is crazy with trying DE to get the Crypto out of a couple of his snakes systems?

Also, David, If I started a fund to focus on getting rid of RI in such a way that it would save you a trip to the vet, and a lot of money in the long run. Would you donate to that as well? It is my understanding that snakes get RI more than Crypto.

While I agree that taking the snakes to the vet would have been the best idea. The OP decided to try something else first, and it seems to be working for now. I believe that with more observation we will see whether or not it has cured the RI or just hidden it.

P. I think that setting it up in such a way with a small fan going from one tub with the mixture, pumping it into the tube with the snakes, would be a safer delivery system.
 
Nanci said:
Both of these things occurred to me as well. If I'd brought it up rather than David, would you be jumping all over me?
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Cedar kills insects, but I wouldn't put a snake with mites in a tub full of cedar chips, no matter how many anectdotal treatment stories I saw.
There are good, researched, available treatments for RI in snakes, I'd use those personally rather than take a risk on lung damage from menthol vapours or scalding from boiling liquids
 
Outcast said:
It has been my experience that even some "reptile" vet's, like stated earlier, go with a much more conservative view.

Also, Since reptiles are not as well studied as other animals (had a long conversation about this with a Biologist at my school) I think that if someone is willing to try something new, and keep a good record of it, then it is worth a try.

Isn't Oren doing something that many people think is crazy with trying DE to get the Crypto out of a couple of his snakes systems?

Also, David, If I started a fund to focus on getting rid of RI in such a way that it would save you a trip to the vet, and a lot of money in the long run. Would you donate to that as well? It is my understanding that snakes get RI more than Crypto.

While I agree that taking the snakes to the vet would have been the best idea. The OP decided to try something else first, and it seems to be working for now. I believe that with more observation we will see whether or not it has cured the RI or just hidden it.

P. I think that setting it up in such a way with a small fan going from one tub with the mixture, pumping it into the tube with the snakes, would be a safer delivery system.
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Aaron, there's nothing wrong with trying something new, I've done it! I dust all my roaches with Nutri-bac in addition to Calcium D3. The issue with this is,

*They're giving instructions, that anyone can access
*They've only been keeping snakes for less than a year
*There is a huge risk of physical damage to the snake
*The SICK snakes are in close contact.
I could go on and on. This is not the way anyone should test a new treatment! It's dangerous.

The reason I donate to the Kill Crypto auction is because it's being run by vets and breeders, Crypto is as of yet, incurable and geckos can get it and it can wreck your collection.
 
The difference between Vicks for RI and DE for crypto is: crypto is (in the acute stage, with regurging and anorexia) eventually fatal, with no cure, to date. Experimental treatment is not going to delay a proven cure. Vicks may be a "medication," but it is not an antibiotic drug, and the snake _could_ be undergoing a proven, conventional treatment by a licensed medical professional and be on the road to recovery instead of being treated with a home remedy you read about on the Internet.
 
Thank you, Nanci and Janine! Crypto is fatal so it's worth a shot to try something new, RIs are treatable and right now that snake could be on the road to recovery instead of having some reckless bootleg interwebz treatment.
 
I am going to wait to see what Lenny finds in his searches, before I condemn the OP for trying something new. Things are too busy for me to look up all the possibilities myself.

Also, I doubt that dusting roaches with calcium/D3 and Nutribac is really all that new. In fact, I am pretty sure that one of the local Pet Stores around here does it. In my opinion it seems like a pretty good practice, keep those lizards healthy.
 
Outcast said:
I am going to wait to see what Lenny finds in his searches, before I condemn the OP for trying something new. Things are too busy for me to look up all the possibilities myself.

Also, I doubt that dusting roaches with calcium/D3 and Nutribac is really all that new. In fact, I am pretty sure that one of the local Pet Stores around here does it. In my opinion it seems like a pretty good practice, keep those lizards healthy.
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But Aaron, He's been doing this for 10 years..a whole decade...like since he was.....8 years old!!
18 years ago I got a blue tongue skink for my birthday and it was widely reccomended back then that I dust his food with calcium powder so I don't think dusting roaches can be all that new either...
 
OK Nanci, but he has said it himself that he was doing this since he was 8.
I am pretty sure he did anyway.
 
Nanci said:
And your point is??
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None really I guess. I am too easily irked, sorry for the disruption.

I would like to know the results of this though.


Edited to add.....
To David, I am sorry about my earlier statement. I know you are passionate and I know you want to do this as a career. So, here is a little advice take it or leave it. Instead of saying something like "I've been doing this for 10 years", which sounds a little arrogant and someone who knows your true age would question it ....you can say something like..I have loved reptiles as long as I can remember. I got my first snake when I was 8 and knew back then I was hooked for life. I don't know everything, but learn more every day, and I would love to know how this treatment turns out. However, these points concern me, and this is why....and then go on from there.
I know you know alot for your age, more than some of us old farts I am sure. But like it or not, you ARE really young. I know that getting taken seriously is hard when you are that young, but coming off as someone fresh and eager to learn new things everyday while not knowing everything there is to know would probably help your cause better than your current approach.
 
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