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Sevin Dust and Mites

I tried all kinds of other methods-mite spray, mineral oil and was about to try nix but Kathy didn't recommend it so I went with Sevin. I pretty much ran out of options and didn't know what to do next. I am taking him to the vet tomorrow so hopefully I will know more.
As for him being content-I am not sure if he is content in my hand right now because he isn't feeling well or just because.
 
well, the things that you have to remember about mite treatments, most of the sprays only work on the mites themselves. When you kill them, you may still have eggs that are on the snake, that will hatch, lay eggs of their own, and then get kill by you...only to start the cycle over again because of the new missed eggs. When you get a spray, make sure that it says it kills mites in all stages...Eggs, Larva, and adult.


How is his breathing?
 
I am sorry to hear that Sevin didn't work for you.

Only because of the overwhelming good experiences we had with it back in the Glades days, and the few times I ever had to use it in my breeding colony, and because of the bad experiences I had with No-Pest Strips, I am inclined to blame a bad experience more on something about a particular situation than on the Sevin dust. For example, maybe the snake already had an existing condition, such as a respiratory problem, or maybe the extremely bad shed is complicating matters. Or maybe this snake has absorbed some of the last mite treatment and has not yet excreted it, and the Sevin is compounding it. Or maybe he somehow inhaled a bunch, although I never had one do that. I just don't know what happened, and can only tell of my own experience.

As for Nix, the bad stories I had heard (I never used it myself) were from people who had only used it once. Maybe they used it improperly, or too strong of a solution. Somebody had another thread here about using a diluted treatment of it and having it work well. I can't really comment, good or bad, since I haven't tried it.

I would be curious about the dead snakes from Sevin that somebody (I'm sorry, can't remember names at all) posted they saw at work (at a vet clinic, I guess). I would like to hear more details. I would especially be interested in bad experiences from experienced people who have dealt with the problem several times, rather than strictly new keepers who tried Sevin on their very encounter with mites. I have a feeling that sometimes new keepers might miss some small observation about the condition of their snake, the treatment, the environment, etc. A person who has dealt with it before might be able to provide some really good info as to why they think it worked or didn't. But I would also be interested in hearing about experiences from novices too, so I can pass it on to others as questions get asked.

Unfortunately, we don't have many (any?) objective studies to go by. Just anecdotal evidence. Maybe somebody would like to do a school science project and treat a bunch of snakes with various methods and record the positive and negative results. That would great!

In the meantime, if you have already treated with Sevin and some other chemicals, I would be sure to let the vet know. More chemicals could be a real problem, but hopefully the vet is enough of a chemist to keep it safe.

BTW, a friend of mine recently had mites on her albino Burmese python. She didn't want to use any pesticide, so she went to the local exotic vet. The vet told her to soak it in Betadine and then oil. Didn't tell her how long to soak it, so she soaked it overnight. The snake was dead the next morning. And it was very healthy, except for the mites.

I just don't know of anything really foolproof, but as I said, can only relate the experiences I have had.

Sure hope your pet makes a good recovery.
 
kathylove said:
Only because of the overwhelming good experiences we had with it back in the Glades days, and the few times I ever had to use it in my breeding colony, and because of the bad experiences I had with No-Pest Strips, I am inclined to blame a bad experience more on something about a particular situation than on the Sevin dust. For example, maybe the snake already had an existing condition, such as a respiratory problem, or maybe the extremely bad shed is complicating matters. Or maybe this snake has absorbed some of the last mite treatment and has not yet excreted it, and the Sevin is compounding it. Or maybe he somehow inhaled a bunch, although I never had one do that. I just don't know what happened, and can only tell of my own experience.

As for Nix, the bad stories I had heard (I never used it myself) were from people who had only used it once. Maybe they used it improperly, or too strong of a solution. Somebody had another thread here about using a diluted treatment of it and having it work well. I can't really comment, good or bad, since I haven't tried it.

I would be curious about the dead snakes from Sevin that somebody (I'm sorry, can't remember names at all) posted they saw at work (at a vet clinic, I guess). I would like to hear more details. I would especially be interested in bad experiences from experienced people who have dealt with the problem several times, rather than strictly new keepers who tried Sevin on their very encounter with mites. I have a feeling that sometimes new keepers might miss some small observation about the condition of their snake, the treatment, the environment, etc. A person who has dealt with it before might be able to provide some really good info as to why they think it worked or didn't. But I would also be interested in hearing about experiences from novices too, so I can pass it on to others as questions get asked.

Unfortunately, we don't have many (any?) objective studies to go by. Just anecdotal evidence. Maybe somebody would like to do a school science project and treat a bunch of snakes with various methods and record the positive and negative results. That would great!

In the meantime, if you have already treated with Sevin and some other chemicals, I would be sure to let the vet know. More chemicals could be a real problem, but hopefully the vet is enough of a chemist to keep it safe.

BTW, a friend of mine recently had mites on her albino Burmese python. She didn't want to use any pesticide, so she went to the local exotic vet. The vet told her to soak it in Betadine and then oil. Didn't tell her how long to soak it, so she soaked it overnight. The snake was dead the next morning. And it was very healthy, except for the mites.

I just don't know of anything really foolproof, but as I said, can only relate the experiences I have had.

Sure hope your pet makes a good recovery.

Thanks, I hope he recovers too. I thought I waited long enough between treatments to try a new one. I waited about 3 weeks. I am seeing a local vet tomorrow morning so hopefully he/she will help in this recovery.
Last night and today he was so content sitting on me I didn't want to move him. Usually he lets me know when he is ready to back to the viv. I guess I found that unusual also. Do you know what kind of oil your friend used?
Before I was given some suggestions on using mineral oil?? I would think that would clog them up-but then again I don't know.
 
I have never delt with Snake mites, but right now I am treating a trio of Texas Spiny Lizards for Lizard mites. I am using a spray, might be the same one that you are talking about Joy, Will have to look when I get home. But, I am having the same prolems that you are. I spray it on, and can see the mites drop dead, but a couple of days later, the mites are back. I am proabably going to have to take all the lizards out and put them in three seperate boxes with newspaper as substrate and treat them till the mites are completely gone...and clean out the viv from top to bottom while I am at it.


And, I know that lizard mites can migrate to snakes, so they are in a different room, and I always wash and change clothes before moving from the lizards to the snakes.
 
Same here-the mites would drop off and I could see them floating in the water but then he has them all over again a day or so later. I would clean the viv and everything in it-top to bottom and still nothing. If the spray kills the eggs then how exactly are they coming back??
 
Quote by kathylove
I would be curious about the dead snakes from Sevin that somebody (I'm sorry, can't remember names at all) posted they saw at work (at a vet clinic, I guess). I would like to hear more details.


Unfortunately, Kathy, I do not have specific details about the "history" of these snakes or of their owners. I just know that I have helped care for quite a few that have come in because the owners had tried Sevin dust on their snake to treat it for mites, and the snake was ADR (abbreviation for "Ain't Doin' Right" - a very technical veterinary term! LOL). I have also taken several phone calls from owners whose snake had died shortly after the treatment. I am not sure of the techniques used on the snakes, either. I do remember one owner in particular who said he coated the inside of a deli cup with the dust and left the snake in it for several hours before rinsing the snake off.
 
Yes, we definitely need somebody who would try some of the usual treatments in a scientific way, recording results, to tell us objectively what worked, at what strength / time limits, and what adverse effects were encountered. Any volunteers?
 
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