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SMR 04 Bloodred Male
- Thread starter OCsnakeman
- Start date
BabyBlueEyes
JMcornsnakes
Beautiful snake!! how old is it? looks nice and healthy!
BabyBlueEyes
JMcornsnakes
nvm LOL didnt see the 04.. :sidestep:
Billybobob
very unactive member
Is that one of the keysXbloodred or just a normal blood? might just be the pic but i see a little keys influence.
OCsnakeman
Corn-a-holic
Billy-
Don Soderburg sold me Vlad as a regular bloodred. I am confident that he wouldnt sell me an outcrossed blood...but it is probably just the picture thats creating that illusion...
Don Soderburg sold me Vlad as a regular bloodred. I am confident that he wouldnt sell me an outcrossed blood...but it is probably just the picture thats creating that illusion...
Billybobob
very unactive member
OCsnakeman said:
I was not saying that it was an outcrossed blood but i was asking if it might have had some keys blood in it because i know that don has some bloodreds that have keys blood in them and yours looks like it might have some to. If I were you I would ask don if it dose or not.
JM :o) said:
Yep keys corns are considered regular corns but they use to have there own subspecies. I personally feel that they should still have there own subspices recognition but i don't have any control over that.
OCsnakeman
Corn-a-holic
Don S or anyone else feel free to reply with your opinion
My brain must not have been functioning right last night, nothing new. I know better than to confuse outcrossed with Keys influence. However, it brings an interesting question to the table. I bought Vlad as a "pure" bloodred from Don for a bloodred project that went south because we lost the female when she was VERY young. I still plan to include him in my breeding plans once he grows up, but if he has any other influences...how does that affect the genetics for his future breeding. Thanks for any info that you guys might give me in advance...
OC
My brain must not have been functioning right last night, nothing new. I know better than to confuse outcrossed with Keys influence. However, it brings an interesting question to the table. I bought Vlad as a "pure" bloodred from Don for a bloodred project that went south because we lost the female when she was VERY young. I still plan to include him in my breeding plans once he grows up, but if he has any other influences...how does that affect the genetics for his future breeding. Thanks for any info that you guys might give me in advance...
OC
Seems to fit perfect for a bloodred ;D Very creative. I love seeing all the different stages of the bloodreds because I think I will be buying one for my husband soon.
SnakeAround
Formerly Blutengel
Gorgeous blood!
Billybobob
very unactive member
OCsnakeman said:
I might be way off base with my assessment of your blood but something about it just screams "keys corn" to me. If it in fact has some keys blood in it the only affect it will have on it's offspring is that they might have some keys look to them to. And that is not really a bad thing unless you don't want any keys influence in your breeding stock. As for you misreading my post that is mostlikely my fault cause my first post was not that clear after re-reading it i can see how you reached that conclusion. Like i said before you should contact Don and see if it dose have any keys blood in it.
SODERBERGD
Active member
No keys blood in those I'm aware of . .
I have been breeding bloodreds to keys' corns for a couple of years now, but haven't yet produced an F2 to find out what combined look there might be.
I don't see any key corn influence in that snake. To what are you referring when you say it looks like one? If I see anything, it's the white creeping up on the sides and on the face. Of course, that's not a key corn trait. It is possible though that it is the pied sided trait. Until this year, I didn't even know I had the gene, but "my" matriarch of the pied sideds has been breeding for me for over seven years. I say "my" because surely the gene is out there elsewhere. It's possible that folks that purchased bloods from me in the past few years have that gene. IF I marked the serial of the breeding on the lid of the shipping cup and they see number 326, they might have the pied sided gene in their bloodred.
Don
www.cornsnake.NET
I have been breeding bloodreds to keys' corns for a couple of years now, but haven't yet produced an F2 to find out what combined look there might be.
I don't see any key corn influence in that snake. To what are you referring when you say it looks like one? If I see anything, it's the white creeping up on the sides and on the face. Of course, that's not a key corn trait. It is possible though that it is the pied sided trait. Until this year, I didn't even know I had the gene, but "my" matriarch of the pied sideds has been breeding for me for over seven years. I say "my" because surely the gene is out there elsewhere. It's possible that folks that purchased bloods from me in the past few years have that gene. IF I marked the serial of the breeding on the lid of the shipping cup and they see number 326, they might have the pied sided gene in their bloodred.
Don
www.cornsnake.NET
Billybobob
very unactive member
SODERBERGD said:
I was talking about the head of the snake and it also looks like there is some grey comming thought on the ground colour. But like i said i might be way off base to me there is just something different about that bloodred that seems to remind me of "keys corns".
SODERBERGD
Active member
Probably . . .
IF there is gray, instead of it "coming through", it's probably still "going away". Many of our bloodreds start out with gray faces and heads. By a year old, most have red heads, but some hang on a little longer than others.
Don
www.cornsnake.NET
Billybobob said:
IF there is gray, instead of it "coming through", it's probably still "going away". Many of our bloodreds start out with gray faces and heads. By a year old, most have red heads, but some hang on a little longer than others.
Don
www.cornsnake.NET
Billybobob
very unactive member
SODERBERGD said:
I was talking about head shape. And the grey I was talking about is in the ground colour(like miami) it might just be the pics posted but i see some greys in that snake.
Billybobob
very unactive member
Joejr14 said:
I think he was talking about a rosy blood crossed back to a regular blood you should read the post and then use common sense to draw your own conclusions.
SODERBERGD
Active member
Here's the 411 on the rosy bloods. . .
A good friend was talking to me one day about 10-12 years ago and said he really loved his rosy rats. About six months later, I went to his house and was shocked when he opened the cages for them. Some of them were bloodreds, but the most beautiful gold and orange colors. He said a friend of his caught the grandparents of these snakes and they were pure locality rosy rats (key corns). He bred them together and got same. Next generation, some of these bloodreds came out and those were the ones he liked best. He didn't know what a bloodred was at that time.
SO . . . since I believe this friend is truthful AND given that these hail from one of the keys, they must be rosy rat bloods. However, I have only recently bred bloods to rosy rats so I don't yet know what the F2s will look like. I guess we'll find out next year if the newly created ones are like the ones I've had for years. I'll keep everyone posted.
Don
www.cornsnake.NET
Joejr14 said:
A good friend was talking to me one day about 10-12 years ago and said he really loved his rosy rats. About six months later, I went to his house and was shocked when he opened the cages for them. Some of them were bloodreds, but the most beautiful gold and orange colors. He said a friend of his caught the grandparents of these snakes and they were pure locality rosy rats (key corns). He bred them together and got same. Next generation, some of these bloodreds came out and those were the ones he liked best. He didn't know what a bloodred was at that time.
SO . . . since I believe this friend is truthful AND given that these hail from one of the keys, they must be rosy rat bloods. However, I have only recently bred bloods to rosy rats so I don't yet know what the F2s will look like. I guess we'll find out next year if the newly created ones are like the ones I've had for years. I'll keep everyone posted.
Don
www.cornsnake.NET