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snake wont poo!
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tyretosmom
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CAV said:Jus let mi no thee tyme ann plaze I kneed 2 meat wit u.......budoke:
LOL, I had to read that one twice.
Jaimee
SeethersWind
Scream Into The Wind
Hi, Just wanted to say I've only put my corn In water once and I'll never do it again because I could tell it completly freaked him out. The reason I put him in was because I had him in a small container while I cleaned his viv. Well he pooped in the container and crawled through it so I wanted to get him clean for his nice new viv. Next time I think I'll just wipe him down with a towel or something. LOL I had never seen him want to be on my hand so much until that moment. But He definaly wont e taking swimming lessons anytime soon.
countMEout
New member
Hey cav it is pretty childish to call someone out on their age first off. secondly until any of you have any reputable information ie maybe an experiment with certain controls you can say stress all you want. half the time on these forums the only one that is stressing is the owners. If corn snakes hate water so much why do some prefer to rest in thier water dish it seems like a personal preference sort of thing and in my opinion all the experience is great and all of you know a lot but until there is some proof it is speculation. again lay off peoples ages.
CAV
Dazed and Cornfused
I just don't understand the difficulty with comprehending this simple topic...
If the shoe fits......I called the young man out because his behavior is that of an immature 17 year old. When you choose to be childish and make statements that more experienced keepers "don't know what they're talking about", expect to be called a child....nuf said.
I base my "opinions" off of my experience. (FWIW, experience is something that you gather with TIME. Experience often comes after your 17th (or 20th) year ) Since you seem fixated with a scientific process, here is what I based my "less-than-reputable" information on:
1) Develop a hypothesis: Repeated observation led me to formulate a hypothesis: Cornsnakes (as well as most colubrids) don't like being forced into water, especially at a time that is not of their choosing. I've kept hundreds of snakes over an acceptable length of time and I feel justified in saying that there are rarely exceptions to this "theory".
2) Conduct an experiment:
A) This isn't rocket science........Snake, water, snake in water, unhappy snake, snake attempts to flee (that is why the snake acts possessed and tries to get away )
B) "Unclean" snakes poop, frequently, without baths
3) Analyze the data:
A) SNAKES TRY TO FLEE WATER WHEN FORCED INTO SAID WATER
B) SNAKES POOP WITHOUT BEING BATHED (blind study BTW )
C) Stressed reptiles have a discernable and often predictable behavior pattern.
4) Compare the data: Done, and Done.........
A) Few exception to hydrophobia or pooping observation.
B) Stress is rather easy to spot when you have enough experience with the contolled population in question.
5) Determine a Conclusion: (Are you ready for this countMEout??)
Terrestrial colubrids, including E.g. guttata (cornsnake for you cMo) do not like to take owner induced baths. Said snakes will go to great lengths, including bodily injury, in order to avoid said water scenario. The only purpose for subjecting said snakes to said scenario, resulting in said action?
Because an inexperienced keeper read on a forum a post in which another inexperienced keeper suggested it helps keep said snakes form getting a plugged up pooper!
It is an imaginary non-issue that knowledgeable and experienced keepers are repeatedly stating doesn't occur at a frequency that warrants discussion, let alone mandates a preventative countermeasure!
I suggest to you, young Einstein that repeated observation of a given result constitues "proof" in the scientific community, not "speculation".
The discussion wasn't whether or not snakes ever get wet, it was that forcing them to get wet is unnecessary and traumatic. THAT still holds true.
BTW, statements like that highlight age.
countMEout said:
If the shoe fits......I called the young man out because his behavior is that of an immature 17 year old. When you choose to be childish and make statements that more experienced keepers "don't know what they're talking about", expect to be called a child....nuf said.
countMEout said:
I base my "opinions" off of my experience. (FWIW, experience is something that you gather with TIME. Experience often comes after your 17th (or 20th) year
) Since you seem fixated with a scientific process, here is what I based my "less-than-reputable" information on:1) Develop a hypothesis: Repeated observation led me to formulate a hypothesis: Cornsnakes (as well as most colubrids) don't like being forced into water, especially at a time that is not of their choosing. I've kept hundreds of snakes over an acceptable length of time and I feel justified in saying that there are rarely exceptions to this "theory".
2) Conduct an experiment:
A) This isn't rocket science........Snake, water, snake in water, unhappy snake, snake attempts to flee (that is why the snake acts possessed and tries to get away
) B) "Unclean" snakes poop, frequently, without baths
3) Analyze the data:
A) SNAKES TRY TO FLEE WATER WHEN FORCED INTO SAID WATER
B) SNAKES POOP WITHOUT BEING BATHED (blind study BTW
)C) Stressed reptiles have a discernable and often predictable behavior pattern.
4) Compare the data: Done, and Done.........
A) Few exception to hydrophobia or pooping observation.
B) Stress is rather easy to spot when you have enough experience with the contolled population in question.
5) Determine a Conclusion: (Are you ready for this countMEout??)
Terrestrial colubrids, including E.g. guttata (cornsnake for you cMo) do not like to take owner induced baths. Said snakes will go to great lengths, including bodily injury, in order to avoid said water scenario. The only purpose for subjecting said snakes to said scenario, resulting in said action?
Because an inexperienced keeper read on a forum a post in which another inexperienced keeper suggested it helps keep said snakes form getting a plugged up pooper!
It is an imaginary non-issue that knowledgeable and experienced keepers are repeatedly stating doesn't occur at a frequency that warrants discussion, let alone mandates a preventative countermeasure!
I suggest to you, young Einstein that repeated observation of a given result constitues "proof" in the scientific community, not "speculation".
countMEout said:
The discussion wasn't whether or not snakes ever get wet, it was that forcing them to get wet is unnecessary and traumatic. THAT still holds true.
countMEout said:
BTW, statements like that highlight age.
Adamscorn
New member
Snake went ape **** in bath!
I'm with you Cav, we thought we would give our snake a bath the other day, just to see if she liked it. She didn't!!! Never seen her move so fast, was obviously really frightened, tried to get out and even when we got her out she was really freaked out and difficult to handle. Put her back in her viv and I swear she was sulking!!! Didn't want to come out at all for a couple of days. Won't be doing that in a hurry again. Also, we were worried that she didn't poop much, rang breeder and he said not to worry, she would go when she was ready, which she has. Some just seem to go more often than others. I would have thought she would have gone in the bath, she certainly was scared enough lol. By the way, great fight boys, first one I have seen on here.
I'm with you Cav, we thought we would give our snake a bath the other day, just to see if she liked it. She didn't!!! Never seen her move so fast, was obviously really frightened, tried to get out and even when we got her out she was really freaked out and difficult to handle. Put her back in her viv and I swear she was sulking!!! Didn't want to come out at all for a couple of days. Won't be doing that in a hurry again. Also, we were worried that she didn't poop much, rang breeder and he said not to worry, she would go when she was ready, which she has. Some just seem to go more often than others. I would have thought she would have gone in the bath, she certainly was scared enough lol. By the way, great fight boys, first one I have seen on here.
tyretosmom
New member
I think cav was calling him out on his maturity that comes with his age. It seems to be a pattern that the bulk of people that like to give advice that contridicts experienced herpers are the young I know everything type. I happen to be young as well but when an experienced herper post I tend to listen as they have been there made mistakes and learned. One more thing to add for you all. Information's pretty thin stuff unless mixed with experience. ~Clarence Day The Crow's NestcountMEout said:
Jaimee
countMEout
New member
I suggest to you, young Einstein that repeated observation of a given result constitues "proof" in the scientific community, not "speculation".
that is laughable for the mere fact that A proof is nothing a theory isn't fact and a hypothesis is simply that a hypothesis. if there are exceptions as we all know they are then that is not a standard but more of something to be assumed. A controlled experiment is when you have one variable where as everything else is the same. That is what i was referring to. I am glad you can recognize the scientific method I am glad you have your years of knowledge but please understand with age doesn't always bring wisdom and sometimes it does with a pompous rude attitude with it. I can be the smart alec 20 year old you want me to be. I tend not to take things as they seem and look a little deeper. but that is my one cents i get my other one when i am 30 and respectable. (smiley face here) har har har
that is laughable for the mere fact that A proof is nothing a theory isn't fact and a hypothesis is simply that a hypothesis. if there are exceptions as we all know they are then that is not a standard but more of something to be assumed. A controlled experiment is when you have one variable where as everything else is the same. That is what i was referring to. I am glad you can recognize the scientific method I am glad you have your years of knowledge but please understand with age doesn't always bring wisdom and sometimes it does with a pompous rude attitude with it. I can be the smart alec 20 year old you want me to be. I tend not to take things as they seem and look a little deeper. but that is my one cents i get my other one when i am 30 and respectable. (smiley face here) har har har
JTGoff69
New member
CountMeOut.....you should do an "experiment" and look up packerfan4's previous posts. That should tell you all you need to know as to why Cav has called him out on his age, and the fact that he has also been banned by Rich and is just now privileged to post again should put the icing on the cake.
countMEout
New member
it has been let go
thanks for the permission
thanks for the permission