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Something similar to Eastern indigo?

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BSLMichael

Below Sea Level Reptiles
Hello,

I have recently fallen in love with eastern indigos after meeting one in person at a reptile expo. Unfortunately i dont have 8000+ Dollars to spend on permits xD.

So, I was wondering if there are other large snakes that shared some of the traits the eastern indigos generally have disposition wise. one of the things i noticed most is how responsive to its surroundings it was and how willing it was to check out what was going on.

Any large gentle curious responsive Colubrids out there other than Indigo?

Something alil more attainable?
 
Mexican Black Kingsnakes, or Black Milksnakes, are the closest I can think of. As far as I know, both Indigos cost a pretty penny, and oen or both require permits to own.

There is a larger line of MBK's, that Casey Lazik used to work with, and he has since picked up a pair of babies from that line. I will be getting a pair from that line in a few years when he has babies from them.
 
I was also going to suggest Black Milksnakes. They can get a decent size and are almost all black as adults.
 
Thanks for the suggestions! Also the 8k is alil bit of an exaggeration. More like 4k for the snake + permits xD

Also found that Cribos are closely related... Any idea what the general temperament on those guys are?
 
Cribos can be quite feisty and flighty as far as I know. Indigos and Cribos are amazing snakes.
 
Cribo's are usually wild caught and are a lot to handle. Depending on size and whether their black or yellow tail will run anywhere from $200 to $800+. I have a CB black tail who is as calm and personable as my corns. WC can be picky eaters where CB will take frozen thawed rodents readily. They grow FAST and require a large Viv. Also cribos eat smaller meals. Their not constrictors and are fed more often. If you can find a CB black tail Cribo then that's what I would go for based on temperament and price. There are some available out there right now.
Cribos are an intermediate level snake. Beginners (not you based on your sig. ) should start with a Black King or milk. Both are very personable.
 
I highly suggest black milksnakes. They are the largest of the milksnakes and pretty easy going once they are adults. Once they are full grown they are jet black. Mine is about a year and a half old and really you can only still see the red on his belly.

This is not my guy but gives you an idea of size.

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Mine is still young and around 3 feet long. 5-6 feet is what to expect from these guys. They are neat snakes and do get quite a bit bigger than Black king snakes.
 
I'll have to ask Casey Lazik if he has any pics of his (former) larger line of MBK's.
I believe they average in the 6ft range.
 
Mine are the old San Antonio Zoo line, which were supposed to be known for being large and jet black. Didn't pair them up this year, but will next.
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Don't hold out for me to produce any, lest Murphy strike, but the S.A.Z. line are known to be big. They are great snakes, require no supplemental heat, and are about as calm as cooked spaghetti (which eastern indigos are not always).
 
Are those Kings or Milks? Very nice! I'll have to ask Casey what the full background on his line were.
I'm addicted to MBK's! I have seven! LOL
I have been focusing on obtaining different lines, to work on outcrossing as much as possible.
 
Sorry, milk! Was responding to Hvani's post about different lines being different sizes. Never seen an MBK that size.
 
Check out Black Pearl reptiles on Google, their are other variations available that don't require permits. They have some for sale and a very informative article. Cribo's. are the same family of snakes, a little smaller much cheaper and more permits required.. Also you may want to look into Bull snakes.

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Chip said:
Mine are the old San Antonio Zoo line, which were supposed to be known for being large and jet black. Didn't pair them up this year, but will next.
2rxwj2r.jpg

Don't hold out for me to produce any, lest Murphy strike, but the S.A.Z. line are known to be big. They are great snakes, require no supplemental heat, and are about as calm as cooked spaghetti (which eastern indigos are not always).
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MBK ? You have the old sonoran line ?
 
A Texas Indigo would be another good option. Basically the same snake as an Eastern Indigo, but much cheaper and no permit required :). I've seen some TX/Eastern hybrids for sale on occasion that look almost exactly like an Eastern as adults, and supposedly they are very similar as far as intelligence, personality, size, etc...
 
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