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Still No Answer!

Kathy is a member here, and is always generous with her excellent advice. She really, truly cares about the snakes - and about people too! You could send her an email or a PM with a request for help in case she hasn't seen this thread.

*hugs* I hope this turns around for you and your snake. Maybe it's an extreme reaction to the plastic. Let's hope that's all it is. It's obvious he's going to need time to heal even after the plastic is gone, (assuming that's the root of the issue) but maybe... I've never seen a reptile with hives, but I've had a horrific case of them myself, including down the airways etc. I'm sadly not a vet, but this looks to me like an infection that might have started as some type of serious allergic reaction.

As others have said, raising the humidity won't "cause him to shed." It can be problematic for skin or respiratory problems. Ever had a heat rash or a fungal infection? Keeping it moist means keeping it miserable.

*hugs* again! Sending prayers up about you and positive energy your way.
 
Cursed witch, your very first pic reminds me of what was happening to Tula. Her scales were wilting away, shriveling up.

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She had a few regurges and sadly passed away, but she also had a plastic water bowl. I hope you find whatever it is.
 
I think the circle spots look like the scales, or the covering of the scales, is wanting to lift up. I don't think he looks so bad. I think the couch incident just rubbed loose some scale coverings that were ready to go anyway. I don't think you HURT him. Honestly, after going to the vet, and the vet not instantly knowing it was some horrible condition, and it being a normal time of year for a feeding strike anyway, I would just be waiting for the next shed, to see what happens.
 
Caryl said:
Ever had a heat rash or a fungal infection? Keeping it moist means keeping it miserable.

*hugs* again! Sending prayers up about you and positive energy your way.
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The way the scale starts out clear and popping up and then the scales underneath end up shriveling with kind of a burnt look to them would make me think fungal.
 
JustineNYC said:
Cursed witch, your very first pic reminds me of what was happening to Tula. Her scales were wilting away, shriveling up.

She had a few regurges and sadly passed away, but she also had a plastic water bowl. I hope you find whatever it is.
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Oh im sorry to hear that.
Does any of the other pictures look familiar to you?
It must have been harder to see it on a snake that is not as dark colored as him.

I'm wondering if this can be related to something he got from a frozen rat. I have not noticed when it exactly started because I was too busy taking care of my own health... but it was shortly after i got the bowl.. and shortly after he spit his food out on his last feeding back in december.
I have some pictures of that but I'm wondering if he caught something from the food.
 
Nanci said:
I think the circle spots look like the scales, or the covering of the scales, is wanting to lift up. I don't think he looks so bad. I think the couch incident just rubbed loose some scale coverings that were ready to go anyway. I don't think you HURT him. Honestly, after going to the vet, and the vet not instantly knowing it was some horrible condition, and it being a normal time of year for a feeding strike anyway, I would just be waiting for the next shed, to see what happens.
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I can't not say I didn't hurt him.
I must have been more careful.

Some of the scales that got damaged during the incident looked like that layer that normally sheds... but the colored ones seem damaged too now. Im waiting for the vet to let me know if it is safe to apply cream or bathe him in the solution or if i need to urgently see him again.

But wouldn't you be worried if you were told that exact same thing by an exotic vet at the ER and then by some posters on here.... then after a little over a month he got worse and NEVER shed!?

What makes me so sure he will shed this time. I have taken all measures to get him to shed all this time.
I just don't want to wait this out and him getting worse by each day...
Now, i may have sped up the process by what happened to his scales.
He;s in the humidity box right now. I really hope this works.
 
Nanci said:
Another thought- are the circles on his nose water droplet spots from misting??
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That's what i thought at first, but I have been cautiously watching him and I think they are not from misting.
I bathe him and made sure to wipe the head to see if they will disappear but they haven't. And honestly if you look at him with bare eyes you don't see them as clearly as the camera's zoom.

I just thought that they could be a hint to something.

I appreciate your answers. They are very informative
 
JustineNYC said:
The way the scale starts out clear and popping up and then the scales underneath end up shriveling with kind of a burnt look to them would make me think fungal.
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He's never had a heat rash or fungal infection.
But the vet did mentioned it a couple of times when he was trying to guess what it was.
burnt look is a better explanation to how.

He did say that the meds he gave me should help
 
Well, you can't _make_ him shed, if it isn't time. I would be concerned, of course, but really all you can do, without a diagnosis, is wait. Adults don't shed very often.
 
Have you never introduced plastic before these issues started? Like vines, water bowls, and the viv itself. Allergy would make sense, but I just think you would have had problems sooner. Maybe a new vet second set of eyes so to speak. Sorry the scales do look bad I hope everything ends up o.k.
 
The vet just called me, I had sent him pictures of the accident.

He just said that he wouldn't be alarmed yet, some scales look more damaged but he told me to keep giving him his meds and he will check wiht me in 2 days. Told me to smooth them by hand

I asked him if it could have been a case of constipation, he said it might.
If he doesnt eat > he won't poop > not pooping can get him dehydrated > he could have skin problems.

I asked him about plastic allergy, he said, it might as well be that.
When I told him that there is a chance that this all started when i got the bowl, he told me to change it and get a ceramic one. He has heard of plastic allergy with other animals but never seen a snake one yet.

He told me to go ahead and try to feed him but a smaller size food.

i asked him about the fungal infection, he said it might as well.

In other words, there could be many possibilities and we can't know yet.
But the Nolvasan (Chlorexidine) soaks should help, and the sulfadiazine should cover if it was fungal.
He said we've covered different possibilities. Let's say what happens.
Told me to keep himidity between 40 and 60%, it's 52 now.
Because reptiles do everything slowly, we might not see any different until 2 weeks.
I'm still not relieved
 
danielle said:
Have you never introduced plastic before these issues started? Like vines, water bowls, and the viv itself. Allergy would make sense, but I just think you would have had problems sooner. Maybe a new vet second set of eyes so to speak. Sorry the scales do look bad I hope everything ends up o.k.
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He has never had anything plastic in there... I have artificial plant but it's been there for a good year or so.

I'm going to change it anyway.
Just gotta find a ceramic large bowl like that
 
Cursed_Witch said:
He's never had a heat rash or fungal infection.
But the vet did mentioned it a couple of times when he was trying to guess what it was.
burnt look is a better explanation to how.

He did say that the meds he gave me should help
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I went back and read your first post, you say he hasnt shed since Dec 21, and hes gotten worse instead of better, I would really wait and see what he looks like afterwards.

Its not odd he hasnt shed yet, Nancy is right, adults dont shed often.

If it was me, I would keep him as dry as possible.

Its weird his scales look like what would happen if you took plastic and lit a match to it, you know how it melts and wilts up.

Did the vet say he is sure its not scale rot?
 
if there has been a plastic plant in there a year a plastic allergy would be weird, but is there anyway your water bowl also had latex in it. I am highly allergic to latex i know there will be jokes but its no laughing matter. I can't even wear latex gloves without a reaction so I would check that to be sure.
 
Cursed_Witch said:
Oh im sorry to hear that.
Does any of the other pictures look familiar to you?
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They do. Especially how your snake has one burnt looking scale and then the rest all around that are fine. Tula had the same thing on a few areas. I honestly dont know what the heck it could be. But like I said she also had a plastic water bowl. Coincidently I use ceramic now.

Hers werent as bad after she would shed, but she shed pretty often cause she was young.


Id love to see pics after he sheds.
 
JustineNYC said:
Its weird his scales look like what would happen if you took plastic and lit a match to it, you know how it melts and wilts up.

Did the vet say he is sure its not scale rot?
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Exactly that's how they look like.
Once the shed skin (transparent) comes off the scales underneath look like that.

He did say he's pretty positive that it's not because they look brown and on his belly
 
danielle said:
if there has been a plastic plant in there a year a plastic allergy would be weird, but is there anyway your water bowl also had latex in it. I am highly allergic to latex i know there will be jokes but its no laughing matter. I can't even wear latex gloves without a reaction so I would check that to be sure.
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I don;t know>
There's no way i can tell because there's nothing written on it.
I'm going to change it anwyay.
Now where can I or how can i get a ceramic /safe large water bowl.
I also need to make sure it fits an almost 5 ft snake and in the width of the tank which is 1 foot. I got plenty of space if it was a rectangle
 
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