Sunglow Poll:

[ecreipeoj]

Sunglow = no white Amel

I think that leaves a little to be desired. After all they are Sun”Glows”. Shouldn’t they be very saturated with color and be very shinny and bright? I am not sure that I would put all borderless Amels in the Sunglow category, just like I would not put all Amels with white in the Candy Cane category.

Can they be any color of Amel that is borderless without white? Can they have a yellow background color with red blotches? (Hey that would be cool) How about a red background color with darker red blotches like this Amel that I have? I know he has some white that disqualifies him, but what if he didn’t?( I am making Amel Bloods out of him!) The Motley in the photo with him would qualify as a Sunglow to most.

When I think of a Sunglow, they are very brightly colored and very saturated with ORANGE and should be two shades of orange, not red or yellow. I have seen some pretty dull looking borderless Amels that I wouldn’t think should be included in with Sunglows.

I think I would be pretty disappointed if I ordered a Sunglow and got a dull, looking Red and orange looking thing that was borderless, and therefore had no white and = “Sunglow“. I think a Sunglow is more than just an Amel without white. To me that definition just means a borderless Amel. A Sunglow is suppose to mean something special, like a Candy Cane is suppose to be something special and not just a run of the mill red and white Corn.

 

[jaxom1957]

This poll is intended to determine the general consensus of the cornsnakes.com community with regards to the definition of the term Sunglow. Please vote!

"Sunglow", much like Aztec and Zigzag, Reverse Okeetee and Miami, has always been a description of a phenotype: all orange and red amel, little or no white. The appearance may be improved by the snake being hypo as well, but that was never a requirement. For those who want to sell their hypo sunglows as something above and beyond the norm, come up with another name. Call them "Solars" or "Coppertones" or "Orange Juilius" if you like, but don't co-op an already established and widely understood name.

 

[jaxom1957]

I think I would be pretty disappointed if I ordered a Sunglow and got a dull, looking Red and orange looking thing that was borderless, and therefore had no white and = “Sunglow“. I think a Sunglow is more than just an Amel without white. To me that definition just means a borderless Amel. A Sunglow is suppose to mean something special, like a Candy Cane is suppose to be something special and not just a run of the mill red and white Corn.

What you're talking about is quality, and that can't be quantified in the description, any more than Miami can. There are lots of snakes around that the majority of hobbyists would agree are "Miami" but when measured against Carol's stock, the others are mutts. You can't compare the quality of a well-aged game Beaujolais to a bottle of two-buck chuck, but they are both red wines. There are great sunglows, and there are mediocre sunglows, just as there are outstanding bloodreds and "Are you sure that's diffused?" bloodreds. The guy that produces the best quality sunglows, whether he uses hypo to get there or years of selective breeding, will get the customers.

 

[Ssthisto]

If you want to separate hypo amels from selectively bred amels, there is an alternative to trying to redefine a well-established name. The term "hybino" is already in use for such a condition. A quick Google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hybino) shows that it's already in use with at least geckoes and hondurans. It may be easier to establish in cornsnake language because of those precedents.

If such a thing were adopted, a no-white amel would be a "sunglow," an amel hypo with white on it would be a "hybino," and a no-white amel hypo would be a "sunglow hybino." This allows all cases to be covered without confusion or qualification.

Only problem with calling hypo amels "Hybino" and no-white amels "Sunglow" is that those of us coming from Leopard Gecko backgrounds... those two words are synonyms. A British Hybino is the same thing as an American Sunglow gecko - both are hypomelanistic amelanistic animals - and generally they're the 'super' form of the incomplete dominant hypomelanism found in geckos, too

TBH... as far as I'm concerned, a "sunglow" corn snake is a homozygous amelanistic animal with no dorsal white. I won't personally describe an animal that has dorsal white (regardless of depth of background colour) as a sunglow - and I might well call a bright yellow animal with red blotches (but no white) a sunglow (though I'm more likely to say "Are you sure that isn't a 'harvest' Creamsicle?")

To me, it doesn't matter too much what the mechanism behind not having the dorsal white is, if I'm specifically looking for a sunglow animal. If it's got no dorsal white because it's been selectively bred not to, it's a sunglow. If it's got no dorsal white because it's homozygous motley or stripe (or motley het stripe), it's still a sunglow. If it's got no dorsal white because it's homozygous Hypo/Lava/Christmas/Strawberry it's still a sunglow. Heck, if someone breeds a nice high-diffusion, no-white Fire ... it might fit in the box labeled Sunglow, too.

If I want a specific TYPE of sunglow (say, a sunglow that is qualified as a sunglow because it's an amel motley) then I'll be asking that of the breeder before I buy.

 

[Mrs InsaneOne]

Errr... ya'll do know that this is a two-year old thread that was revived by someone voting on the poll right? Just thought I'd point that out...


Jenn

 

[jaxom1957]

Errr... ya'll do know that this is a two-year old thread that was revived by someone voting on the poll right? Just thought I'd point that out...

Ack! Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa :bowdown: I didn't start the voting, but I took the ball and ran with it. Forever more must I bear the stain on my family escutcheon :awcrap:

Now, dat be some hi class kinda grovelin', yep :laugh:

 

[tom e]

LOL! Sorry guys that was me!
I was doing a search (can't remember for what) and got distracted reading this thread and just forgot I was in the distant past and voted. I realized right after and just sorta' shook my head...
Oh well, let's put it back to bed now..

 

[Lennycorn]

So you're the one pulling up all the old pollls huh!. :grin01:

 

[wax32]

LOL

I love my sunglow and voted for the first choice.

 

[Chris Olson]

:twoguns: Why-Won't-This-Thread-Die?!......oh.....maybe because I just posted in it.....hmph.

Chris :grin01: