Testing my Reseach!

[Nanci]

You should put the probes for the thermometer and the thermostat in the center of the UTH, under the substrate.

Sean Niland, VMS, is an excellent source of cornsnakes.

 

[smigon]

And I am almost fished with my rant.
1. How often do you think snakes get mice in the wild? Every week ummmmmm NO.

Wild Corn snakes are opportunistic feeders. I you were to offer them 10 mice they would try to eat them all because they don't know when they are getting their next meal. The Munson plan keeps captive bred snakes fed as often as needed with the size needed to thrive.

2. What are they on in the wild what is the name... OH, what about bioactive substrate.

Again, you are talking about snakes in the wild. We here are talking about captive bred corns. There is a different need for captive bred as opposed to wild caught.

3. What is surrounding them PLANTS. They clean the air and keep bedding fresh.

No one ever said don't use plants in the viv, many people do. But it is also people who keep the bedding fresh.

4. Mold and mildew you have to be kidding me there should be (I say should because most people get it wrong) a good bioactive substrate that will clean.

There are good bioactive substrates that will keep the viv clean, but we are talking about misting substrates like aspen bedding, newspaper, or paper towels. Too much misting and the moisture WILL cause mildew or mold.

Why are you "ranting"? Your posts obviously point to keeping a snake in a bioactive environment, ours are about keeping them in a different but no less healthy environment.

I also noted you don't have any corn snakes, at least none that you list in your post. This is a website devoted solely to Corn snakes. Books that cover the basics for most snakes are a good starting point, but if you read books particular to corns you will get a better idea of their needs as opposed to other kinds of snakes.

Thanks for rewriting your post for better spelling, but if you are going to attack me, at least spell my NAME right!!!

And if you want to be wrong have fun

Thousands of corn snake owners have the exact setups we are talking about here, and have had thousands of corn snakes thrive on said setup. I guess we are having fun AND succeeding at being wrong!

 

[corn snake breeder]

Wild Corn snakes are opportunistic feeders. I you were to offer them 10 mice they would try to eat them all because they don't know when they are getting their next meal. The Munson plan keeps captive bred snakes fed as often as needed with the size needed to thrive.



Again, you are talking about snakes in the wild. We here are talking about captive bred corns. There is a different need for captive bred as opposed to wild caught.



No one ever said don't use plants in the viv, many people do. But it is also people who keep the bedding fres



There are good bioactive substrates that will keep the viv clean, but we are talking about misting substrates like aspen bedding, newspaper, or paper towels. Too much misting and the moisture WILL cause mildew or mold.

Why are you "ranting"? Your posts obviously point to keeping a snake in a bioactive environment, ours are about keeping them in a different but no less healthy environment.

I also noted you don't have any corn snakes, at least none that you list in your post. This is a website devoted solely to Corn snakes. Books that cover the basics for most snakes are a good starting point, but if you read books particular to corns you will get a better idea of their needs as opposed to other kinds of snakes.

Thanks for rewriting your post for better spelling, but if you are going to attack me, at least spell my NAME right!!!



Thousands of corn snake owners have the exact setups we are talking about here, and have had thousands of corn snakes thrive on said setup. I guess we are having fun AND succeeding at being wrong!

Well for starters I know longer breed snakes because I got tired of selling to uneducated people. I wasn't attacking never will you helped me a lot. And back to the issue at hand. If everyone on this forum before they disagreed with me read the art of keeping snakes a lot more snakes would be in better care. Think about if you had the choice between a house with carpet and things to sit or a bare room with nothing on the floor. It is honestly sad how the hobby has fallen from keeping animals to something that resembles a stamp collection that we acasioanly take out and stare at. Honestly I believe if we mimicked wild enviorments animals would be in better homes.

 

[smigon]

I have The Art Of Keeping Snakes on my Kindle, along with several other books on Corns.

I highly recommend reading Kathy Loves' and Don Soderberg's books, they are both excellent books and both Kathy and Don are participating members of this forum.

I think I downloaded 5 or 6 and read them all before I got my corn.

I was also considering a larger viv with the setup you suggest. I felt it was more difficult to do, so I went with aspen. I think that the setup, unless you are really into making a realistic viv, I like my 20L and 55 gallon tanks, they are perfect for my corns!

I hope you are cooled down from your "rant", you obviously care very well for your snakes, thank you for the apology, I appreciate it!

 

[corn snake breeder]

I am sorry sort of burned up. Natural vivs are much easier especially since the snakes want food less (natural don't worry about the animals) and the bedding cleans itself. Kathy and Don's methods are not for me but work. I would just like if everyone tried the natural setup and posted results even of just for one month I would real (providing they can).

 

[Raynen]

I appreciate and I've also been looking at other breeders as well, just to have a variety. I heard on fauna BOI that Don from cornsnake.net is very great! This forum has taught me so much just in a few weeks!

As for husbandry, feeding, etc... there will always be heated debates. My number one concern is my (future) snake's health is the number one concern; if my snakes has trouble with one substrate, I'll switch to another. Each snake is different and that's important to remember.

 

[smigon]

I am sorry sort of burned up. Natural vivs are much easier especially since the snakes want food less (natural don't worry about the animals) and the bedding cleans itself. Kathy and Don's methods are not for me but work. I would just like if everyone tried the natural setup and posted results even of just for one month I would real (providing they can).

I actually made a post about this when I first joined, asking about the kind of setup you talk about. I would have loved a big tank like you describe, with maybe a water feature and lots of real plants for my first corn. Then I got my second. And third. And now, this morning, my fourth. Now that I have a few extra tanks I just may try to do this, I think it would be easier in a 20 gallon.

My tanks are totally cluttered with hides, smooth stones from our landscaping (boiled in bleach water and rinsed thoroughly), driftwood (also boiled and baked for extra caution) and lots of aquarium plants, you can get them for cheaps on eBay and I boiled them as well before adding them to my vivs. The taller plastic plants tend to lean over, creating another sort of hide, and the rough edges help with sheds. I DO wish they were real plants, but I know that my kids would slither over them and crush them, but with a setup like yours they would be easier to take root and thrive instead of being in smaller pots.

Out of curiosity, why do your snakes eat less?

For now, 4 snakes, 6 cats, a job and a husband and my myriad of health issues prevent me from taking on in-depth projects.

Do you have pics of your snakes and vivs? I would love to see how you put them together, and how you "decorated" them.

Raynen, you are absolutely right, every snake is different. The 13 year old I got today (Dobby) is 371g, about 200 grams heavier than my first 2.5 year old Scarlett, my second 2.5 year old Gus is catching up at about 87g, my third guy, Bootsie, is also 2.5 years old and tips the scales at about 770g! My last three were "rescues", people who got them on a whim and, after a few years, tired of them and wanted them gone, or, like Dobby, his (actually a "her"!) owner is moving to the east coast and was worried he wouldn't be happy and wanted to find him a good home.

 

[corn snake breeder]

I have pics but couldn't upload them so I will post a link to where you can find them. Hope I didn't break any rules. I have 38 snakes, 11 geckos, 7 frogs, 6 agamas 4 skinks, a crazy little brother to care for, an orchestra to practice for and a test to study for. Its just a matter of how much we want it (and all the animals are in natural vivs).
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...472640.-2207520000.1392208865.&type=3&theater

 

[corn snake breeder]

Just click on the photos until you see what you want.

 

[Raynen]

Whoa, those weights are so different :rofl: but I'm glad they all found a great home I must have been lucky to find this site because someone (I cannot remember) here told me that I might have my corn earlier than I think... and that might be true! My college program starts in summer and goes for ten months. With my real estate investments I may be able to move out of my current residence into my own place right after graduation! No more snake-free zone for this future snake mama! I hope I don't sound like I'm boasting; I'm just super happy and very lucky with timing this year


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[corn snake breeder]

Good luck with picking out your snake. Try both setups and see which you like more?. We don't know why snakes less in natural vivs probably something to do with a more natural diet with more vitamins. My snakes haven't lost any weight as you can see in the pics on Facebook. Rayen P.M me for some literature and websites. I think I already sent you a P.M. Once agian good luck and have fun with your new baby!

 

[Tick-Tag]

You remind me of myself before I got my corns
I waited a year and a half while I researched because I was scared that I would kill them or stress them out. I was mostly worried about temperatures and the fact that I have cats and they might stress the snakes out.

After I got them I quickly realized that I had worried way to much because they are pretty easy to keep and I never had any real problems with them. But I guess that it's better to be overly causious than to be careless.

 

[Nythain]

You remind me of myself before I got my corns
I waited a year and a half while I researched because I was scared that I would kill them or stress them out. I was mostly worried about temperatures and the fact that I have cats and they might stress the snakes out.

After I got them I quickly realized that I had worried way to much because they are pretty easy to keep and I never had any real problems with them. But I guess that it's better to be overly causious than to be careless.

Lucky you. I researched like crazy, and worried like crazy, and still killed my first corn

 

[corn snake breeder]

Lucky you. I researched like crazy, and worried like crazy, and still killed my first corn

Now that is sad. My first corn died to. My cats killed it about six months after me buying her r.i.p gabby .

 

[Raynen]

Thanks again everyone for replying!

I'm doing by best to prepare before the purchase I'm sorry to hear about the two first corns, Nythain and Corn Snake Breeder when I'm settled into my new home I might not even have any pets except for my corn and possibly a dog.

Seriously I can't explain how glad I am to have stumbled upon this forum! Everyone is so awesome Now I just have to play the waiting game until I get my own corn :| which will feel like a century to me!

 

[corn snake breeder]

That would be a good idea. My cats opened the lid of her tank and killed her. That is why we now have a herp room.

 

[smigon]

Thanks again everyone for replying!

I'm doing by best to prepare before the purchase I'm sorry to hear about the two first corns, Nythain and Corn Snake Breeder when I'm settled into my new home I might not even have any pets except for my corn and possibly a dog.

Seriously I can't explain how glad I am to have stumbled upon this forum! Everyone is so awesome Now I just have to play the waiting game until I get my own corn :| which will feel like a century to me!

This is by far the best site I have joined for new corn snake owners. I learned a lot from books, but the personal advice and bond here is like none other.

Welcome! :cheers:

 

[Raynen]

This is by far the best site I have joined for new corn snake owners. I learned a lot from books, but the personal advice and bond here is like none other.

Welcome! :cheers:

Agreed! I kept wondering where I could ask questions without badgering breeders (and pet stores in my state are not great resources). I kept seeing this forum, so I lurked as a guest and later joined. So glad I did!