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That is NOT a Corn...

starsevol said:
Believe me, I am no expert....but when I first saw her picture, something in my head whispered " now doesn't that snake look an awful lot like an eastern milk that someone on here had?"
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I had no idea Beth what she was. Jay first thought she was a normal phased Jungle Corn maybe. She has been sitting pretty in isolation...lol Treated, fed and pooping just fine. So far so good, no signs of anything being off with her. She is a looker from what I have found on the net. I think I will find her a proper home.
 
PJ@PJCReptiles said:
I had no idea Beth what she was. Jay first thought she was a normal phased Jungle Corn maybe.
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Well there's your problem! Jay couldn't tell an Eastern Milk from hole in the wall!! :nope:

Seriously though, back when I first started doing research on the internet for corns, there were a lot, I mean LOT, of pictures that popped up as Cornsnakes that obviously weren't . . . a little more research revealed them as being the Eastern Milksnake. That being said, I haven't seen a single one in person, so I'll defer final judgement to someone that has. ;)

My first impression was Eastern Milk. :shrugs:

D80
 
Lol, as soon as I saw her I thought Eastern Milk after seeing the one KT picked up from a show. They do look like Hybrids too... Now you need a Scarlet King so you can make Coastal Plain Intergrades! :grin01:
 
I understand Brent.

I did get to see these babies up close and personal last summer and they are pure WC Eastern Milks that were hatched in captivity.
 

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CaptBogart said:
Lol, as soon as I saw her I thought Eastern Milk after seeing the one KT picked up from a show. They do look like Hybrids too... Now you need a Scarlet King so you can make Coastal Plain Intergrades! :grin01:
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But Joe, I cant have Easterns or Scarlets in Maine!! :sidestep:
 
PJ@PJCReptiles said:
She is a real sweetie Beth!

Now I have to have to decide where she will be shelved....

on the female corn rack... :nope:

with the kings...:nope:

I just made a milksnake rack (that's for another thread) but they are all huge except three. I guess I have to add a new shelf to the empty baker's rack just for milks as well.

So where do I house her once she passes quarantine :confused: :shrugs:
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*****cough-Cough***** Yeah I hear that Manda chick keeps milk snakes:shrugs:..


HAHAHA!!! SHE'S BEAUTIFUL!!! (YES I was yelling that to you!!)

eventhough, she's not a corn..and not a breeder..shes fun to look at!
Congrats!

~~'Love you guys!

~~Manda
 
Drizzt80 said:
Congrats. Are you sure she's not an Eastern Milksnake? They're kinda corny looking to begin with. Just a recommendation.

D80
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Brent hit the nail in the head!! I would bet the ranch that that is an Easter.

Here is some pics of the girls I had last year:

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Beautiful Girlie!! I really wish I could have gotten the ones I had to eat. They are really a pain!

Wayne
 
well. Now that I actually read the post and did the impulse reply thing...
I'd say she does look like an eastern Milk for sure!....
BUT AS MOST OF US KNOW.....That doesn't write off that she may be a hybrid of a sort....Genotype does not always reflect phenotype..

But If I had to label her..I'd say milk..I know this doesnt help much ...:shrugs:



~~'Manda
 
Those babies from last summer would have had that nice red color to them. I was actually surprised at how their colors vary, only because the two adult females I caught, lacked color.

What a beautiful girl!

Wayne
 
A person I know up here was freaking out and thought they caught a corn..and it was just a grey on Grey milk...

There is also a mill log yard accross teh stree from me and they often find Tan and brown milk snakes in the mill...

They are BEAUTIFUL and i can understand reason for the law against keeping them....but damn if only...:)

~~'Manda

medusacoils said:
Those babies from last summer would have had that nice red color to them. I was actually surprised at how their colors vary, only because the two adult females I caught, lacked color.

What a beautiful girl!

Wayne
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Good luck with the hybrid part! There isn't a single characteristic that it is anything but pure Eastern milk snake. It is a beautiful example of Eastern milk as you will find and I would be proud to include it into my breeding group if I had found it. I have found many in Western NY that included identical markings and smears of red.
 
Are you sure you can't own them, or do you just need a permit to own them?

I have gotten permits from 3 states to own "protected" species. It's not that hard. That does look like an eastern, but if they are illegal, then I say...
Looks like a "rootbeer" to me. I'd breed it to a Miami phase corn snake. You can own "rootbeers" in Maine ...right?(LOL)

In any event congrats it's beautiful.
 
abell82 said:
Are you sure you can't own them, or do you just need a permit to own them?

I have gotten permits from 3 states to own "protected" species. It's not that hard. That does look like an eastern, but if they are illegal, then I say...
Looks like a "rootbeer" to me. I'd breed it to a Miami phase corn snake. You can own "rootbeers" in Maine ...right?(LOL)

In any event congrats it's beautiful.
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Maine never gives out permits! And it is the law! They are also native to Maine!
Maine’s Unrestricted Reptile List:
Milk Snakes (Lampropeltis sp.)
Exceptions:
• Eastern Milk Snake (L. triangulum triangulum)
• Red Milk Snake (L. triangulum syspila)
• Pale Milk Snake (L.t. multistrata)

MAINE:
Is a permit*
required to take
amphibians or
reptiles from the
wild? No

Is taking/possession/
transport of native
reptiles or amphibians
for commercial
purposes allowed?
No

Is the importation of
nonnative reptiles or
amphibians
allowed?**
Permit required

Are there restrictions
on the possession of
nonnative reptiles or
amphibians?
Some species require
permit

Is captive breeding
of reptiles or
amphibians
allowed?**
Some species
require permit

Notes
Permit required to
possess venomous
reptiles & import
wildlife

Again, Maine will not issue permits, has not in years! And she is NOT a wild caught animal, at least she doesnt seem to be. So I am pretty sure I will never get a permit. The fee is $150 and non refundable!

She would not make Rootbeers. Rootbeers are Corns x Emoyri Rats. I have Rootbeers and have bred them and hatched them out and sold them.

But thank you for your deep thoughts in hopes of me keeping her.
 
PJ@PJCReptiles said:
Again, Maine will not issue permits, has not in years! And she is NOT a wild caught animal, at least she doesnt seem to be. So I am pretty sure I will never get a permit. The fee is $150 and non refundable!

She would not make Rootbeers. Rootbeers are Corns x Emoyri Rats. I have Rootbeers and have bred them and hatched them out and sold them.

But thank you for your deep thoughts in hopes of me keeping her.
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I know she is not a rootbeer. However, I seriously doubt that most DNR agents would be able to tell a Corn X Emoryi from a Corn x Eastern. But maybe,:shrugs: as I personally have never seen them done, I think it would be a good breeding. If you wish to part with her, I'd be glad to try it, for you.:licklips:
 
I am still very new to snake keeping, so bare with me. You have a snake that is captive bred (so you believe), you got it believing it to be a jungle corn or other hybred. You believe it to be an Eastern milk, but you can not prove it. This snake is protected in the wildlife and can not be owned, shipping is most likely out of the question. Then can you donate it to a local zoo or wildlife park for demonstrations and exhibitions? She can be used to teach school children to recognize and respect her wild cousins. Or she can be bred in captive breeding programs for her babies to be introduced to the wild. Just a thought, I am still very new to this hobby.
 
Dreamsnake said:
I am still very new to snake keeping, so bare with me. You have a snake that is captive bred (so you believe), you got it believing it to be a jungle corn or other hybred. You believe it to be an Eastern milk, but you can not prove it. This snake is protected in the wildlife and can not be owned, shipping is most likely out of the question. Then can you donate it to a local zoo or wildlife park for demonstrations and exhibitions? She can be used to teach school children to recognize and respect her wild cousins. Or she can be bred in captive breeding programs for her babies to be introduced to the wild. Just a thought, I am still very new to this hobby.
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Great ideas for a newbie! All sounds like good options but Maine is kicking our hobby butts. A few months ago, a Gaboon Viper was found dead behind a huge CinaMagix!

I didnt know what she was, Jay thought Jungle, owner thought corn! LOL
In order to use her in any educational settings, I need a permit! Of which the state is not issuing any and has not issued any in years. So it appears that I am between a rock and hard spot. I am thinking of contacting the Maine Herp Society, of which I am a member and see what they think is best as well. It would be great to keep her. I definitely do not what to make any hybrid crossings with her and create more of a problem.

I want to believe that Easterns are not so much "protected" in Maine but with their native habitat covering some much of the USA and into Canada, Maine does not want anyone "releasing" more or others not from here into the wild. Maine has other issues with fish, turtles, and water weeds not native to Maine living and breeding with our native fish, turtles, water plants and also destroying native habitats. Red ear sliders (turtles) are not native to Maine but we have a several areas with them surviving and reproducing here. Maine has now made having those turtles as illegal. It is crazy I know but because others over time have not been responsible, we are facing some serious changes in what we can and can not have as pets/breeders and it is not just in Maine. I do think that someone within the Maine WIF does know what a eastern milk looks like...so many of you know! LOL

I would be more at ease if Eastern Milks were actually available for sale but they are not. I guess is it not just Maine having such restriction on these animals. I will see what I can do on my end but I cant be nieve about the situation.

Darn, I just dragged this out...lol

Thank you for all the nice comments and ideas. I will keep you posted. But I have no plans to breed this girl for any reason.
 
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