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The Feds attack us yet again...

I posted my opinion on this matter, too. Thank you Kathy, for posting this. It's ridiculous that they're trying to take our rights away. I really hope this doesn't pass.
 
While I appreciate EVERYONE writing in on the matter, I think you might want to read a little more closely. At this point the USFW is looking into injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. Because they are just investigating the action, they have a number of questions they are asking (listed below) which will better help them figure out what they will do - if anything.

This inquiry is extremely important and is being watched by the avian and dog communities as well. If they start with snakes, what will be next?

If at all possible, please be prepared to answer as many questions that the USFW is asking:

USFW's inquiry said:
We are soliciting public comments and supporting data to gain additional information and specifically seek comment on the following questions:

(1) What regulations does your State have pertaining to the use, transport, or production of Python, Boa and Eunectes genera?

(2) How many species in the Python, Boa and Eunectes genera are currently in production for wholesale or retail sale, and in how many and which States?

(3) How many businesses sell Python, Boa or Eunectes species?

(4) How many businesses breed Python, Boa or Eunectes species?

(5) What are the annual sales for Python, Boa or Eunectes species?

(6) Please provide the number of Python, Boa or Eunectes species, if any, permitted within each State.

(7) What would it cost to eradicate Python, Boa or Eunectes individuals or populations, or similar species, if found?

(8) What are the costs of implementing propagation, recovery, and restoration programs for native
species that are affected by Python, Boa or Eunectes species, or similar snake species?

(9) What State-listed species would be impacted by the introduction of Python, Boa or Eunectes species?

(10) What species have been impacted, and how, by Python, Boa or Eunectes species?
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and let me point out what they're looking at prohibiting:

Python anchietae - Angolian Python
Python brongersmai - Blood Python
Python curtis - Short Tailed Python
Python molurus - Indian Python (P. m. bivittatus - Burmese Python)
Python regius - Ball/Royal Python
Python reticulatus - Reticulated Python
Python sebae - African Rock Python
Python timoriensis - Timor Python
and related subspecies

Boa constrictor - Red Tail Boas, Common Boas, Hogg Islands, Columbians, etc
and related subspecies

Eunectes beniensis - Bolivian Anaconda
Eunectes deschauenseei - De Schauensee’s Anaconda
Eunectes murinus - Green Anaconda
Eunectes notaeus - Yellow Anaconda
 
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Now I am pissed at the goverment.
Why should boas and pythons get banned?
Like other people said, dogs and horses and such kill more than boas and pythons!
Honestly I would wish that people should at least have to own a permit to get one, so an idiot doesnt get one.
I mean, because some of the big species have killed, they have to ban all of the pythons and boas?
I mean with dogs some breeds are banned because those are overly agressive, but they didnt ban dogs in general.
What the ?
 
Yes, they would like answers to all of those questions. But don't feel that you have to address all, or even most, of them to be able to write and let them know how it will affect you.

From what I can see, their main concerns are, on one side, how likely is it that the snakes can get loose, get established, and how much would it cost to eradicate them?

On the other side, they are mainly concerned with the economic impact both the ban, or conversely, the establishment of an exotic species would have on business and jobs. Those are what they have to balance out.

At this time, they don't seem concerned with public health hazards, injuries, etc. So whether it is big or small, dangerous or not, doesn't seem to be what they are addressing at this time.

So anything you can add to our case involving economic costs to us and other related businesses, or that you can add about why they are unlikely to become established in many areas, should help the cause, in my opinion.
 
betterboa said:
It was first thing in the morning when I heard the news. Screw you bud
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Problem is, if I see it that way so will others. And the problem is, i am not in my 20s, i am at the age of the people making these laws. As you said, it was done in the morning, well others are not going to know that or pay attention to that fact.
To make your point across is to speak clearly and be precise. Screw you bud, well thats just name calling (and against CS rules.) And that doesn't get any where in the hobby and it doesn't change minds.
 
kathylove said:
From what I can see, their main concerns are, on one side, how likely is it that the snakes can get loose, get established, and how much would it cost to eradicate them?

On the other side, they are mainly concerned with the economic impact both the ban, or conversely, the establishment of an exotic species would have on business and jobs. Those are what they have to balance out.

At this time, they don't seem concerned with public health hazards, injuries, etc. So whether it is big or small, dangerous or not, doesn't seem to be what they are addressing at this time.

So anything you can add to our case involving economic costs to us and other related businesses, or that you can add about why they are unlikely to become established in many areas, should help the cause, in my opinion.
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Kathy, you made some great points here. I think the main one to hit home is the Economic argument. With Looming Recession over our heads, well I think they would be less likely to put out of business many small companies such as Nerd or Bob Clark.

As well we have a current administration that is more likely to think with the pocket book than for the environment. Plus, I really can not think that a loose python or Boa is going to do any danger to any habitat above the Mason Dixon line (I have been wanting to use that terminology in a post for so long).

I think another good thing to do is to contact our Congress and Senate representatives and talk to them personally, via phone or visit. Do not talk to an aid, make sure you can call up your regional congressman and talk to them about this. Tell them how concerned you are that this may effect the economic well fair of people who raise these animals as a business.

Again here is the regulation that is trying to be passed.

SUMMARY: We, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service or We), are
reviewing available biological and economic information on constrictor
snakes in the Python, Boa and Eunectes genera for possible addition to the list of injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. The importation and introduction
of constrictor snakes into the natural ecosystems of the United States may pose a threat to the interests of agriculture, horticulture, forestry; to the
health and welfare of human beings; and to the welfare and survival of
wildlife and wildlife resources in the United States. An injurious wildlife
listing would prohibit the importation into, or transportation between, States,
the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any territory or possession of the United States by any means, without a permit.
Permits may be issued for scientific, medical, educational, or zoological purposes. This document seeks comments from the public to aid in
determining if a proposed rule is warranted.

DATES: We will accept comments
received or postmarked on or before
April 30, 2008.
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kathylove said:
"...why should anyone have the right to own any animal just because they THINK they should..."

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What I meant by this is. Just because you want the animal, doesn't mean you should have the animal. The amount of people who buy or get things, without any research, and then find it's not for them does all legitimate keepers no favours.
The wild Burms in Florida were once cherished pets until the owner realised they were too much for them. These are the people who need to be regulated. The only way to do it is to look at each individual, and decide if they have the room, experience, etc. To own the animal in the first place.. I keep dogs, but irresponsible drug dealers who train them up to be nasty are threatening my ownership.
MIKE
 
betterboa said:
It was first thing in the morning when I heard the news. Screw you bud
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Watch the language! Another outburst will result in a 3-day banning.

I just watched the video and telling herpers to send in letters under false names is NOT the thing to do! I would highly recommend that your re-do the video when you are more awake and follow a well-written script.
 
Susan said:
Watch the language! Another outburst will result in a 3-day banning.

I just watched the video and telling herpers to send in letters under false names is NOT the thing to do! I would highly recommend that your re-do the video when you are more awake and follow a well-written script.
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Good thing your not my mom hey!

I will post whatever I want

and as a canadian could really care less which way the law goes. Thats the problem with americans you guys isolate yourselves, divide amongst yourselves, try to bring someone that was helping down.

One day you will realize your saying did mean something
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL


Good luck and I will remove the video since you just totally made me change my views on the matter. Maybe I will make a video from the other point of view . Of people who are fighting for ecological rights

Either way I will still have all my snakes so pce
 
One thing, you say yet again.
Im a pretty new reptile owner, so what other attacks have there been?
 
Heres the video by Al (Viperkeeper)

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ndMl5ZiwPeI

It explains it far better for those who don't 100% understand the legislation.

Personally I don't have much to say about the ban. I think it's awful the feds are clamping down on responsible keepers however I can understand why they are doing it. I think this extremist action could be stopped though if permits and liscences were put in place for EVERYONE to own a boa or python that exceeds 5/6ft. If you were that serious about your business and owning these exotic animals, a simple liscence should be no trouble and not too much of an expense. If that were implimented to the UK I would be quite happy to comply...
 
I've been following this subject on a couple different forum. It seem that more people are upset about being told what they can and can't do then the actual ban its self.

Its silly to think that we are being "attacked" by the Government or that this is the first step to having all our rights taken away.

That being said, I don't agree with the ban but I do feel that something should be done to protect not only our native wildlife but also the snakes. I've read about many cases of snake abuse that involves large pythons/boids, if we needed permits to keep/sell/breed it would help keep the snakes and wildlife safe.
It would also help the bad publicity our hobby get when some stupid owner gets on the news. Instead of going up in arms about this why not look at the possible good this could do? I know I would love to see the public sale of large snakes to any idiot who walks in off the street banned. Would it be a bad thing to keep the thousands of captive hatched ball pythons who die every yr from being sold at petco and other large chain pet stores?

Our Government can be idiots at times and yes, they are going overboard with this proposed ban but I believe in the end a compromise can be reached that both sides will be happy with.
 
I 100% agree with you Waldo.

Perhaps banning the sale of boas and pythons in all pet stores would be a far better compromise... Afterall, they are only promoting CF and WC snakes in most cases not to mention any Tom, Dick or Harry can walk in and come out with a reticulated python...
 
Tula_Montage said:
I 100% agree with you Waldo.

Perhaps banning the sale of boas and pythons in all pet stores would be a far better compromise... Afterall, they are only promoting CF and WC snakes in most cases not to mention any Tom, Dick or Harry can walk in and come out with a reticulated python...
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But this also effect others such as NERD or Bob Clark for example. These business would be greatly effected cause they may either have to raise their snake prices to cover the cost of them having to have a permit to ship animals. This may also effect shipping pretty little corns over seas to England in the future as well if this hits with Corn snakes and other native american animals.
 
Waldo, I agree with what you said about keeping the snakes out of stores like petco, but there are some stores that actually take good care of their reptiles. Also what would happen if snakes would stop being sold to pet store chains? I would imagine breeders would end up with a surplus and not be able to do anything with them. I think, whay Elle said, ban selling larger snakes in petstores is a good idea, but where would they all go to, would breeders have to just pretty much stop their production of them and make less money, or possibly drive them out of buisness? I dont know what do you think?
 
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