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The Feds attack us yet again...
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kathylove
Pragmatic & Logical
The time to comment ended last spring, I believe. Now they will take all of the comments and decide what, if anything, they want to do about it. I haven't heard anything recently about their next step in this project.
Seems like during a bad economy, there would be better ways to spend tax dollars than to pass (or even consider) laws that won't accomplish much besides further slowing down an already slow pet reptile industry.
Seems like during a bad economy, there would be better ways to spend tax dollars than to pass (or even consider) laws that won't accomplish much besides further slowing down an already slow pet reptile industry.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Ok, I am bringing this thread back to the original topic.
Well Kathy was right, a bill almost came into being last summer that would have impacted us greatly and it wasn’t from the U.S Fish and Wildlife Service either. It was an actual Bill trying to be passed by our Congress.
I will have to say that last night's Minnesota Herp Society meeting was pretty informative. Andrew Wyatt (from USARK) was there and Jeff Ronning was along for the ride, being a MN native himself. Andrew talked about a bill that was dropped last year that would have caused our hobby some serious damage. Due to other issues being more important it was dropped.
The bill was called H.R 6311: Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act.
What this bill that was trying to get across was the prevention of keeping Boids. This could have caused our hobby some serious harm but since it didn’t go through we are ok right now. But it doesn’t mean that it will not come back in the years to come. It could be packaged in other bills and snuck in that way as well. Its something to think about and I strongly recommend going to the website www.usark.org. Take a look around and see who is on the board of Directors. It’s a who’s who in the Herping community.
Now for the bill, there is no need at this time as Andrew put it to talk to your officials. Wait until the bill comes up before saying any thing. But its time that as a hobby we need to be aware of our Rights.
Links
H.R. 6311 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6311
Or in PDF format from USARK: http://www.usark.org/statelaws.php
USARK: www.usark.org
Board of Directors http://www.usark.org/team.php
Petition text. Please be over 18 for this. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/usarkHR6311/index.html
Well Kathy was right, a bill almost came into being last summer that would have impacted us greatly and it wasn’t from the U.S Fish and Wildlife Service either. It was an actual Bill trying to be passed by our Congress.
I will have to say that last night's Minnesota Herp Society meeting was pretty informative. Andrew Wyatt (from USARK) was there and Jeff Ronning was along for the ride, being a MN native himself. Andrew talked about a bill that was dropped last year that would have caused our hobby some serious damage. Due to other issues being more important it was dropped.
The bill was called H.R 6311: Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act.
What this bill that was trying to get across was the prevention of keeping Boids. This could have caused our hobby some serious harm but since it didn’t go through we are ok right now. But it doesn’t mean that it will not come back in the years to come. It could be packaged in other bills and snuck in that way as well. Its something to think about and I strongly recommend going to the website www.usark.org. Take a look around and see who is on the board of Directors. It’s a who’s who in the Herping community.
Now for the bill, there is no need at this time as Andrew put it to talk to your officials. Wait until the bill comes up before saying any thing. But its time that as a hobby we need to be aware of our Rights.
Links
H.R. 6311 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6311
Or in PDF format from USARK: http://www.usark.org/statelaws.php
USARK: www.usark.org
Board of Directors http://www.usark.org/team.php
Petition text. Please be over 18 for this. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/usarkHR6311/index.html
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
WARNING- HR6311 Reintroduced as HR669- BAN ON BOAS & PYTHONS!!
Below you will read a press release by the most powerful Animal Rights Group on the planet. As predicted by USARK, HR6311 has been reintroduced as HR 669. If passed as written this bill will BAN the import, purchase, sale, trade and breeding of many, many reptiles and amphibians... including Boa, Python and Eunectes. If this bill passes it will destroy the reptile community and industry overnight! PLEASE JOIN USARK IN FIGHTING HR669!!!
SIGN THE PETITION AGAINST HR669
***SEND THIS ALERT TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST!!!
Stand by for USARK's Campaign to defeat HR 669.
http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publi...tic_animal_importation_introduced_012709.html
Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native Wildlife by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation
January 27, 2009
The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam).
The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in the United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the economy, the environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the federal government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these animals should be allowed or prohibited.
"Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported into the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native wildlife populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for working to address this global problem."
Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who cannot properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, predation or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive — putting people, domestic pets and native wildlife at risk.
Facts
* Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell them over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them can be expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible.
* Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated native bird and lizard populations.
* According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly 88,000 mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 million amphibians and more than 200 million fish.
* The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in the international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even covered species may be harmed by trade.
Below you will read a press release by the most powerful Animal Rights Group on the planet. As predicted by USARK, HR6311 has been reintroduced as HR 669. If passed as written this bill will BAN the import, purchase, sale, trade and breeding of many, many reptiles and amphibians... including Boa, Python and Eunectes. If this bill passes it will destroy the reptile community and industry overnight! PLEASE JOIN USARK IN FIGHTING HR669!!!
SIGN THE PETITION AGAINST HR669
***SEND THIS ALERT TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST!!!
Stand by for USARK's Campaign to defeat HR 669.
http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publi...tic_animal_importation_introduced_012709.html
Congresswoman Bordallo Introduces Bill to Protect People and Native Wildlife by Addressing Exotic Animal Importation
January 27, 2009
The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International welcomed the introduction yesterday of the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (H.R. 669) in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam).
The bill is designed to prevent the introduction and establishment in the United States of nonnative wildlife species that may harm the economy, the environment, human health or native wildlife. H.R. 669 would require the federal government to assess the risk of nonnative wildlife species proposed for importation and, with public input, decide if the importation of these animals should be allowed or prohibited.
"Each year, millions of wild animals are captured overseas and imported into the United States," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The HSUS. "This trade results in the suffering and death of large numbers of animals, poses unnecessary risks to public health and jeopardizes native wildlife populations here and abroad. We are grateful to Congresswoman Bordallo for working to address this global problem."
Imported wild animals may escape or may be let loose by owners who cannot properly care for them. These animals sometimes die from starvation, predation or exposure. Sometimes, however, they thrive — putting people, domestic pets and native wildlife at risk.
Facts
* Under current regulations, the Fish and Wildlife Service can declare species "injurious," making it illegal to import these animals or sell them over state lines as pets. However, this process typically takes years to complete and occurs after species are established, when eradicating them can be expensive, inhumane and nearly impossible.
* Congresswoman Bordallo represents the island of Guam, where brown tree snakes accidentally introduced after World War II have decimated native bird and lizard populations.
* According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 2005 the United States imported the following numbers of live, wild animals: nearly 88,000 mammals; 259,000 birds; more than 1 million reptiles; more than 5 million amphibians and more than 200 million fish.
* The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora aims to ensure sustainability and humane treatment in the international wildlife trade, but many species are not covered and even covered species may be harmed by trade.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
I am really curious why a representative from Guam is pushing this??
Khaman
Headed for rehab.
Is my guess
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Sign the petition on this. This will help the future of our hobby.
Cornsnake124
Country boy gone wild
I'd sign the petition but I'm not 18...
reptile_jones
New member
For those that want to read the entire bill:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.669.IH:
You can also write your House of Represent
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
Just remember to be smart about what you say. If you come off as a hothead, foul mouth reptile keeper. It will not help the reptile community.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.669.IH:
You can also write your House of Represent
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
Just remember to be smart about what you say. If you come off as a hothead, foul mouth reptile keeper. It will not help the reptile community.
Ami_and_Rube's_owner
New member
Well, I don't think responsible herpoculturalists should be prevented from owning and breeding non-protected species. Kathy Love's book introduced me to corn snakes as pets and I have a lot of respect for her and her work. However, the thing to consider is the fact the irresponsible people releasing animals such as burmese pythons into the wild are having a negative ecological impact into areas like the Florida Everglades. Maybe we should try to propose alternatives for dealing with this problem if proposed bills seem too draconian.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Here is a new update.
NO on HR669 / Grassroots Organizing 101
OK everyone just take a deep breath.... we need to look at this problem objectively. This is not the time to panic, it is not the time to get emotional, but it is time for thoughtful, deliberate action!
If you have been listening to USARK for very long, you knew that this was coming. Many were of the opinion that HR6311 was dead. USARK warned that although it was dead for 2008 it would be reintroduced in 2009. Now we have the newest version, HR669. Now the question becomes: What is the Herp Community going to do about it?
Let's look at the history of HR669:
1. It began in 2007 with a petition from the South Florida Water Management District (SFWMD) to USFWS to add Boa, Python and Eunectes to the 'Injurious Wildlife List' of the Lacey Act. That was followed by a Notice of Inquiry published in the Federal Register calling for public comment in early 2008. This constituted the first step in a 'potential' Rule Change to the Lacey Act. This process is under way and can take up to 4 years to effect an actual Rule Change. It is not over. This is still being processed by USFWS.
2. The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and the Defenders of Wildlife, unhappy with the pace of progress with a 'potential' Rule Change to the Lacey Act, convince a group of US House members to introduce a bill based on a report written by Defenders of Wildlife called Broken Screens. In July of 2008 HR6311 is introduced into the US House of Representatives. Marshall Myers of PIJAC is present and makes an eloquent point by point rebuttal of the Bill. Because of so many other pressing issues HR6311 dies in the Natural Resources Committee it was assigned to.
3. USARK warns that even though HR6311 is dead for the legislative session it will be revived in 2009. USARK initiates a petition against HR6311 October 2008.
4. January 2009 HR6311 is reintroduced as HR669. A group of 10 House members co-sponsor HR669 and it is assigned to the House Natural Resources Committee.
Facts about HR669:
1. If passed HR669 would end the import, purchase, sale, trade and breeding of many reptiles and amphibians including boa, python & eunectes. The following is an excerpt from the Bill.
SEC. 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES.
(a) Prohibitions- Except as provided in this section or in section 7, it is unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to--
(1) import into or export from the United States any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;
(2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;
(3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7;
(4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1);
(5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); or
(6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for breeding purposes.
2. There are 10 sponsors for this Bill. That means this is serious. They want to pass this Bill. Some of sponsors have strong relationships to the HSUS.
3. HR669 has very little basis in scientific fact. There is no evidence to suggest that banning any of these animals will have any positive effects on the economy, environment, or human or animal species health.
4. What is certain is that passing HR669 would add to our country's economic decline and devastate American families and small businesses.
5. Your voice can make the difference in the defeat of HR669!
What can I do IMMEDIATELY to keep HR669 from passing?
* Click sponsors name from list below and that will take you to their email portal.
* Fill in subject field with 'OPPOSE HR669'
* Cut and paste sample letter into body of email adding your own comments (or write your own letter).
* Be brief, be polite, be articulate and DO NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL! This is extremely important!! If you can't do this don't bother to make contact.
* Let them know how HR669 would effect you and your family.
* Fill in your personal information.
* Click SUBMIT button.
* Send a separate email to [email protected] with HR669in your in subject line so we can track the number of people participating.
Sponsors List:
1. Del. Bordallo
2. Rep. Napolitano
3. Rep. Kind
4. Rep. Grijalva
5. Rep. Kildee ** NO EMAIL
6. Rep. Klein
7. Rep. Hastings
8. Rep. Abercrombie
9. Rep. McGovern ** NO EMAIL
10. Rep. Miller
Sample Letter: Cut & paste letter.
Subject: Oppose HR669number
(Del or Rep Name),
I oppose HR669. This Bill is not based in science, but in the ideology of powerful special interest groups. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that banning the import, sale and trade of any of these animals will have any positive effect on the economy, environment, or human or animal species health.
In fact, if passed it would destroy many families and businesses. It would have a decidedly negative impact on an already ailing economy by destroying a vital and growing industry at a time when our country is in need of jobs and growth. The USFWS has just made changes to the CITES export permit process which would allow quality captive bred animals to be more easily exported to international customers. Passing HR669 would negate all the work USFWS has done for over a year. This Bill is a disaster to American small business and families in a time of economic hardship.
(tell in your own words- what you do and how passing this bill would hurt you and your family)
Please do not pass HR669.
Thank you,
(Your Name)
*
This is just the first step in a proven formula of grassroots politics used by groups such as the NRA and HSUS. Be ready to take the next step soon.
*
Educate yourself to the process.
*
If you haven't already signed, please sign our Petition Against HR669.
*
If you are not a paid member of USARK please join today! Fighting legislation like this takes members and money. We need your help to safeguard our Reptile Nation.
*
Don't forget to email [email protected] when you're done so we know how many stood up and did their part.
***Please do this now and pass it on to everyone on your email list!!
Join USARK! There is Strength in Numbers... Protect Your Rights!
usark.org Unsubscribe Become a Member Donate Developed by
Site Control 24/7
Humane Society of t...
Search the Web
NO on HR669 / Grassroots Organizing 101
OK everyone just take a deep breath.... we need to look at this problem objectively. This is not the time to panic, it is not the time to get emotional, but it is time for thoughtful, deliberate action!
If you have been listening to USARK for very long, you knew that this was coming. Many were of the opinion that HR6311 was dead. USARK warned that although it was dead for 2008 it would be reintroduced in 2009. Now we have the newest version, HR669. Now the question becomes: What is the Herp Community going to do about it?
Let's look at the history of HR669:
1. It began in 2007 with a petition from the South Florida Water Management District (SFWMD) to USFWS to add Boa, Python and Eunectes to the 'Injurious Wildlife List' of the Lacey Act. That was followed by a Notice of Inquiry published in the Federal Register calling for public comment in early 2008. This constituted the first step in a 'potential' Rule Change to the Lacey Act. This process is under way and can take up to 4 years to effect an actual Rule Change. It is not over. This is still being processed by USFWS.
2. The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and the Defenders of Wildlife, unhappy with the pace of progress with a 'potential' Rule Change to the Lacey Act, convince a group of US House members to introduce a bill based on a report written by Defenders of Wildlife called Broken Screens. In July of 2008 HR6311 is introduced into the US House of Representatives. Marshall Myers of PIJAC is present and makes an eloquent point by point rebuttal of the Bill. Because of so many other pressing issues HR6311 dies in the Natural Resources Committee it was assigned to.
3. USARK warns that even though HR6311 is dead for the legislative session it will be revived in 2009. USARK initiates a petition against HR6311 October 2008.
4. January 2009 HR6311 is reintroduced as HR669. A group of 10 House members co-sponsor HR669 and it is assigned to the House Natural Resources Committee.
Facts about HR669:
1. If passed HR669 would end the import, purchase, sale, trade and breeding of many reptiles and amphibians including boa, python & eunectes. The following is an excerpt from the Bill.
SEC. 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES.
(a) Prohibitions- Except as provided in this section or in section 7, it is unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to--
(1) import into or export from the United States any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;
(2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;
(3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7;
(4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1);
(5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); or
(6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for breeding purposes.
2. There are 10 sponsors for this Bill. That means this is serious. They want to pass this Bill. Some of sponsors have strong relationships to the HSUS.
3. HR669 has very little basis in scientific fact. There is no evidence to suggest that banning any of these animals will have any positive effects on the economy, environment, or human or animal species health.
4. What is certain is that passing HR669 would add to our country's economic decline and devastate American families and small businesses.
5. Your voice can make the difference in the defeat of HR669!
What can I do IMMEDIATELY to keep HR669 from passing?
* Click sponsors name from list below and that will take you to their email portal.
* Fill in subject field with 'OPPOSE HR669'
* Cut and paste sample letter into body of email adding your own comments (or write your own letter).
* Be brief, be polite, be articulate and DO NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL! This is extremely important!! If you can't do this don't bother to make contact.
* Let them know how HR669 would effect you and your family.
* Fill in your personal information.
* Click SUBMIT button.
* Send a separate email to [email protected] with HR669in your in subject line so we can track the number of people participating.
Sponsors List:
1. Del. Bordallo
2. Rep. Napolitano
3. Rep. Kind
4. Rep. Grijalva
5. Rep. Kildee ** NO EMAIL
6. Rep. Klein
7. Rep. Hastings
8. Rep. Abercrombie
9. Rep. McGovern ** NO EMAIL
10. Rep. Miller
Sample Letter: Cut & paste letter.
Subject: Oppose HR669number
(Del or Rep Name),
I oppose HR669. This Bill is not based in science, but in the ideology of powerful special interest groups. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that banning the import, sale and trade of any of these animals will have any positive effect on the economy, environment, or human or animal species health.
In fact, if passed it would destroy many families and businesses. It would have a decidedly negative impact on an already ailing economy by destroying a vital and growing industry at a time when our country is in need of jobs and growth. The USFWS has just made changes to the CITES export permit process which would allow quality captive bred animals to be more easily exported to international customers. Passing HR669 would negate all the work USFWS has done for over a year. This Bill is a disaster to American small business and families in a time of economic hardship.
(tell in your own words- what you do and how passing this bill would hurt you and your family)
Please do not pass HR669.
Thank you,
(Your Name)
*
This is just the first step in a proven formula of grassroots politics used by groups such as the NRA and HSUS. Be ready to take the next step soon.
*
Educate yourself to the process.
*
If you haven't already signed, please sign our Petition Against HR669.
*
If you are not a paid member of USARK please join today! Fighting legislation like this takes members and money. We need your help to safeguard our Reptile Nation.
*
Don't forget to email [email protected] when you're done so we know how many stood up and did their part.
***Please do this now and pass it on to everyone on your email list!!
Join USARK! There is Strength in Numbers... Protect Your Rights!
usark.org Unsubscribe Become a Member Donate Developed by
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ReptiHabitat
StyroFoam Artist
We can't let them ban the sale at pet stores. That will open the doors for more bans and more species. I don't agree with H.R. 669. But I do agree with the fact that we as owners have to be responsible for our animals whether it is a boa/python or even a small gecko. I do believe that reptiles such as anacondas, burms, retics, nile monitors, large tegu's or other large reptiles do not belong in the care of children or even amateur's. But for us responsible owners we should have the right to care for these animals in a safe and secure manner.
I may offend some but I do believe we need a permit style system to control the animals whereabouts. If you had to register the reptile with a permit and if the animal was sold or transferred to another person they both would fill out a form on who has possesion of the animal. If the animal was to die then when you turned the body into a vet, the vet would sign off as you turning it in. That way people could not just release them into the wild without paying a fine of some sort.
I am not saying the system would be perfect but there is a lot of room for discussion. What is the better alternative? Us as responsible owners losing our right to own and care for them.
Here in NY we already have laws against owning certain animals unless you have a permit or are a educator or you are a wildlife rehabilitater.
Regulated Reptiles in New York State-
As of March 15, 2005 New York State increased the list of banned species that private owners are allowed to possess without special permits. Listed below are the current list of regulated animals.
* Snakes
o All venomous species as determined by the DEC
o Burmese Python (Python m. bivittatus)
o Reticulated Python (Python reticulatus)
o African Rock Python (Python sabae)
o Green Anaconda (Eunectes maurinus)
o Yellow Anaconda (Eunectes notaeus)
o Australian Amethystine Python (Morelia amethistina and Morelia kinghorni)
o Indian Python (Python molurus)
* Lizards
o All venomous species as determined by the DEC
o Asiatic (water) Monitor (Varanus salvator)
o Nile Monitor (Varanus nilocitus)
o White Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis)
o Black Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis ionides)
o Crocodile Monitor (Varanus salvadori)
o Komodo Dragon (Varanus komodensis)
* Crocodilians
o All species
In addition to the above listed species, many species of native New York State herps and similar species require special permits to possess as well (e.g. box turtles of the genus Terrepene). This list consists of the animals considered "dangerous" by the New York State Legislature.
Anyone who owned any of these animals before January 1, 2005 can to apply for a "grandfather" license. You must have proof that the animal was purchased before January 1, 2005. The law allows DEC to charge up to $170 per animal every 2 years.
You will not be allowed to display them in public or teach with them without a reptile educator's license. At the moment there is no criteria established that will be used to decide who is a an educator that qualifies for this license. A four-hour course will need to be attended before you can qualify, but there is no information on who will teach it. We don't know how this law will affect animal educators from other states who enter the state to perform animal presentations.
For more information on how to obtain permits for these animals please contact the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation at the address below:
Special Licenses Unit
NYSDEC
625 Broadway
Albany, NY 12233-4752
(518)402-8985
I may offend some but I do believe we need a permit style system to control the animals whereabouts. If you had to register the reptile with a permit and if the animal was sold or transferred to another person they both would fill out a form on who has possesion of the animal. If the animal was to die then when you turned the body into a vet, the vet would sign off as you turning it in. That way people could not just release them into the wild without paying a fine of some sort.
I am not saying the system would be perfect but there is a lot of room for discussion. What is the better alternative? Us as responsible owners losing our right to own and care for them.
Here in NY we already have laws against owning certain animals unless you have a permit or are a educator or you are a wildlife rehabilitater.
Regulated Reptiles in New York State-
As of March 15, 2005 New York State increased the list of banned species that private owners are allowed to possess without special permits. Listed below are the current list of regulated animals.
* Snakes
o All venomous species as determined by the DEC
o Burmese Python (Python m. bivittatus)
o Reticulated Python (Python reticulatus)
o African Rock Python (Python sabae)
o Green Anaconda (Eunectes maurinus)
o Yellow Anaconda (Eunectes notaeus)
o Australian Amethystine Python (Morelia amethistina and Morelia kinghorni)
o Indian Python (Python molurus)
* Lizards
o All venomous species as determined by the DEC
o Asiatic (water) Monitor (Varanus salvator)
o Nile Monitor (Varanus nilocitus)
o White Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis)
o Black Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis ionides)
o Crocodile Monitor (Varanus salvadori)
o Komodo Dragon (Varanus komodensis)
* Crocodilians
o All species
In addition to the above listed species, many species of native New York State herps and similar species require special permits to possess as well (e.g. box turtles of the genus Terrepene). This list consists of the animals considered "dangerous" by the New York State Legislature.
Anyone who owned any of these animals before January 1, 2005 can to apply for a "grandfather" license. You must have proof that the animal was purchased before January 1, 2005. The law allows DEC to charge up to $170 per animal every 2 years.
You will not be allowed to display them in public or teach with them without a reptile educator's license. At the moment there is no criteria established that will be used to decide who is a an educator that qualifies for this license. A four-hour course will need to be attended before you can qualify, but there is no information on who will teach it. We don't know how this law will affect animal educators from other states who enter the state to perform animal presentations.
For more information on how to obtain permits for these animals please contact the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation at the address below:
Special Licenses Unit
NYSDEC
625 Broadway
Albany, NY 12233-4752
(518)402-8985
RobbiesCornField
Bring it on.
This came from USARK this morning.
Warning- S373 Introduced into US Senate would BAN Import & Interstate Transport of Pythons
A new bill S373 has been introduced into the US Senate by Senator Bill Nelson of Florida. It would Ban the Import and Interstate Transport of the genus Python. In his introductory comments Senator Nelson used inflammatory language, and cited feral pythons in the Everglades and the USGS Map published By Rodda and Reed as his reasons for introducing federal legislation. His statements were sensational and inaccurate.
There is no credible scientific evidence to support wasting taxpayer’s time and money on this Bill. The only result if this bill was to pass is more harm to the US economy and its citizens. USARK is working closely with PIJAC to develop a strategy to move forward in dealing with this new threat to the families and small businesses that make up our community. A coordinated response will be in all of our best interest.
Warning- S373 Introduced into US Senate would BAN Import & Interstate Transport of Pythons
A new bill S373 has been introduced into the US Senate by Senator Bill Nelson of Florida. It would Ban the Import and Interstate Transport of the genus Python. In his introductory comments Senator Nelson used inflammatory language, and cited feral pythons in the Everglades and the USGS Map published By Rodda and Reed as his reasons for introducing federal legislation. His statements were sensational and inaccurate.
There is no credible scientific evidence to support wasting taxpayer’s time and money on this Bill. The only result if this bill was to pass is more harm to the US economy and its citizens. USARK is working closely with PIJAC to develop a strategy to move forward in dealing with this new threat to the families and small businesses that make up our community. A coordinated response will be in all of our best interest.
ReptiHabitat
StyroFoam Artist
They are trying to use the colonization of non-native snakes in FL as a reason to pursue HR 669 and S373. The fact is most of the snakes that are in the everglades are not because of Poor keeping or oversized snakes being let go. They are there because of the hurricane that destroyed the pet shops and homes they were in.
Accidents happen and this was one. They can not make us all suffer because of an act of God.
Do they honestly think they can ban all of these animals. It would destroy so many peoples lives. The pet trade and products make up a huge amount of sales ax dollars. What will they do to make up the difference? Tax gas, beer, cigs or something else even more?
Accidents happen and this was one. They can not make us all suffer because of an act of God.
Do they honestly think they can ban all of these animals. It would destroy so many peoples lives. The pet trade and products make up a huge amount of sales ax dollars. What will they do to make up the difference? Tax gas, beer, cigs or something else even more?
Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
I received a phone call from Clay Davenport today about this issue. He has addressed the matter his page: http://www.arbreptiles.com/lastword/legislation.shtml that contains the laws, the laws in layman's speak, likely time line, links to contact your local congressmen, Title 18, HSUS's stand, and his take on the proposals. My personal belief is that E-petitions are worthless, due to the ease of faking an electronic signature and getting people in a segment of the population to sign. I encourage everyone to call, write, and e-mail his or her state reps and senators. I'm personally stressing the economical impact it will have on my pet store (where I don't even carry any of the big five, green iguanas, etc.).
I have railed for years against stores selling Burmese pythons and the like to families or kids who had never owned a snake. And I am the first to admit that the most abused animals our local herp society and nature center take in are regularly big burms, retics, and rocks -and that the vast majority of the buying public are not capable of dealing with even a sub-adult of any of these giants. But there are those that are capable who keep them. There are even those who buy 125 gallon aquariums for those red-eared sliders they impulsed bought at a beach T-shirt shop a year earlier. They don't make up the majority, but they exist, even in my small world as a small breeder who owns a pet shop. Banning the ownership of certain animals is never the answer.
I have railed for years against stores selling Burmese pythons and the like to families or kids who had never owned a snake. And I am the first to admit that the most abused animals our local herp society and nature center take in are regularly big burms, retics, and rocks -and that the vast majority of the buying public are not capable of dealing with even a sub-adult of any of these giants. But there are those that are capable who keep them. There are even those who buy 125 gallon aquariums for those red-eared sliders they impulsed bought at a beach T-shirt shop a year earlier. They don't make up the majority, but they exist, even in my small world as a small breeder who owns a pet shop. Banning the ownership of certain animals is never the answer.
Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
Please folks, get active on this issue! The lack of discussion on this forum about pending legislation about what herps we can keep is disturbing. This bill includes BALL pythons!!! I'm going to a meeting Thursday out of town to speak to a herp society about the matter. This is a BIG deal.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Take Action Against S373 Today!
Take Action Against S373 Today!
Senator Bill Nelson of Florida has Proposed a FEDERAL BAN on ALL Pythons. S373 is a Very Simple Bill that calls for no Appropriations (funding). That makes it Dangerous because it would be so easy to pass without any real consideration. We must take Action NOW to try and STOP this Bill from passing as written.
What it is:
* S373 is a Federal Ban that would effect ALL pythons in EVERY State.
* This Bill is an effort to bypass the established process of 'Rule Change' to the Injurious Wildlife List of the Lacey Act that was initiated by the South Florida Water Management District last year. This process is moving into it's second year and is ongoing. USARK warned last April at the 'Herp Summit' in Chicago that a political move was afoot to go around the normal 'Rule Change' process. Although ridiculed by some as "Not Possible", S373 proves that prediction true.
* This is an issue regarding Burmese Pythons living feral in South Florida. No other species. No where else. Other pythons have nothing to do with feral populations of Burmese Pythons in South Florida.
* S373 has been moved into the Water & Wildlife Sub- Committee. It will be heard there and if given a favorable rating move back to the full Environment & Public Works Committee. (see contact info below)
What it isn't:
* This is NOT HR669 the other Federal Bill that we have been campaigning against.
* There is NO Scientific Evidence to support the premise that passing S373 will have any impact whatsoever on the Burmese Python situation that is confined to the Southern tip of Florida.
* There is absolutely NO Evidence of any kind to support that this is a problem anywhere outside of South Florida.
What USARK is doing:
* USARK is working with Scientists on the ground in South Florida and throughout the SE to understand the real dynamics of what has occurred with the Burmese Python. Not the hype but the Hard Facts. During their annual conference South Eastern Partners in Amphibian & Reptile Conservation (SE PARC) established an Invasive Species Task Force to look into these questions. ALL of the Best Minds on the Subject from all the top universities and government agencies were on hand. Dr. Warren Booth, PhD Invasive Species Biologist & Andrew Wyatt, both of USARK, played a leadership role in the formation of the Task Force.
* Shawn Heflick is leading USARK's participation in a PBS Documentary arranged by Tom Crutchfield/ Shawn Heflick and Hosted by Nigel Marven to publicize the truth behind the Burmese Python & other potential Invasive Herps in South Florida.
* USARK is not only working chest deep in the Everglades, but we are actively working to influence key personnel in the US House and Senate, as well as the National Park Service and the US Fish & Wildlife Service. From the Everglades to Washington DC we are working hard on behalf of our community and industry to assure that if any legislation is passed, it will be fair and in the best interests of the Herp Community. We have No other conflicting allegiances.
* USARK has introduced State Legislation including Non- Release & Escape Prevention provisions providing safety measures at the State level.
What Can You Do Today to STOP S373?
1. Join USARK's Reptile Nation!There is Strength in Numbers... Protect Your Rights!
2. Call, write, email & fax the Sponsor and the Sub-Committee for S373. (contact info & sample letter below)
3. Be Polite & Professional. If you can't do this don't bother because it will damage our efforts.
4. ***Forward this to everyone on your email list, post it on every forum/ social networking site.
5. When you have finished with the steps above, send an email to [email protected] with 'No on S373' in the Subject Line so that USARK can track the number of responses.
Sample Letter (cut & paste):
Subject: NO on S373
I oppose S373 as written. The Burmese Python issue is a South Florida issue not a National one. There is No credible evidence to show that these animals can exist north of Lake Okeechobee. Many different species of Pythons have been imported into the US over the last 50 years. The only pythons that have been established have been Burmese Pythons, but only in South Florida; no where else. No evidence exists anywhere to suggest that Banning all Pythons will have any positive impact on the effected area in the southern tip of Florida.
Banning all pythons nationwide would have a devastating effect on an already troubled economy. It would destroy thousands of hardworking American families and small businesses. Not just the breeders and dealers but hobbyists, dry goods, equipment manufacturers, food providers, shippers, trade shows, hotels and restaurants. To overlook the crushing blow this would have to an entire segment of the economy is irresponsible.
(add what S373 would mean to you and your family)
Sincerely,
(signature line)
Contacts:
Senator Bill Nelson
716 Senate Hart Office Building, Washington, DC 20510
Phone: 202-224-5274
Fax: 202-228-2183
http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
Sheldon Whitehouse, D-RI
Hart Senate Office Building, Room 502, Washington, D.C. 20510
email: form at http://whitehouse.senate.gov/contact/ phone: 202-224-2921Fax: 202-228-6362
Tom Udall, D-NM
B40D Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510
email: form at http://tomudall.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm
phone: (202) 224-6621
Jeff Merkley, D-Ore
SDB-40B Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510
email: form at http://merkley.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm phone: (202) 228-3997fax: 202-2283997
Mike Crapo, Ranking Member, R-Idaho
239 Dirksen Senate Building, Washington, DC 20510
email: form at http://crapo.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
phone: (202) 224-6142fax: 202-228-1375
John Barrasso, R-WY
307 Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, DC 20510
email: form at http://barrasso.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.ContactForm
phone: (202) 224-6441
tollfree: (866) 235-9553
Lamar Alexander, R-TN
455 Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, DC 20510
email: form at http://alexander.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home
phone: (202) 224-4944fax: 202-228-3398
Take Action Against S373 Today!
Senator Bill Nelson of Florida has Proposed a FEDERAL BAN on ALL Pythons. S373 is a Very Simple Bill that calls for no Appropriations (funding). That makes it Dangerous because it would be so easy to pass without any real consideration. We must take Action NOW to try and STOP this Bill from passing as written.
What it is:
* S373 is a Federal Ban that would effect ALL pythons in EVERY State.
* This Bill is an effort to bypass the established process of 'Rule Change' to the Injurious Wildlife List of the Lacey Act that was initiated by the South Florida Water Management District last year. This process is moving into it's second year and is ongoing. USARK warned last April at the 'Herp Summit' in Chicago that a political move was afoot to go around the normal 'Rule Change' process. Although ridiculed by some as "Not Possible", S373 proves that prediction true.
* This is an issue regarding Burmese Pythons living feral in South Florida. No other species. No where else. Other pythons have nothing to do with feral populations of Burmese Pythons in South Florida.
* S373 has been moved into the Water & Wildlife Sub- Committee. It will be heard there and if given a favorable rating move back to the full Environment & Public Works Committee. (see contact info below)
What it isn't:
* This is NOT HR669 the other Federal Bill that we have been campaigning against.
* There is NO Scientific Evidence to support the premise that passing S373 will have any impact whatsoever on the Burmese Python situation that is confined to the Southern tip of Florida.
* There is absolutely NO Evidence of any kind to support that this is a problem anywhere outside of South Florida.
What USARK is doing:
* USARK is working with Scientists on the ground in South Florida and throughout the SE to understand the real dynamics of what has occurred with the Burmese Python. Not the hype but the Hard Facts. During their annual conference South Eastern Partners in Amphibian & Reptile Conservation (SE PARC) established an Invasive Species Task Force to look into these questions. ALL of the Best Minds on the Subject from all the top universities and government agencies were on hand. Dr. Warren Booth, PhD Invasive Species Biologist & Andrew Wyatt, both of USARK, played a leadership role in the formation of the Task Force.
* Shawn Heflick is leading USARK's participation in a PBS Documentary arranged by Tom Crutchfield/ Shawn Heflick and Hosted by Nigel Marven to publicize the truth behind the Burmese Python & other potential Invasive Herps in South Florida.
* USARK is not only working chest deep in the Everglades, but we are actively working to influence key personnel in the US House and Senate, as well as the National Park Service and the US Fish & Wildlife Service. From the Everglades to Washington DC we are working hard on behalf of our community and industry to assure that if any legislation is passed, it will be fair and in the best interests of the Herp Community. We have No other conflicting allegiances.
* USARK has introduced State Legislation including Non- Release & Escape Prevention provisions providing safety measures at the State level.
What Can You Do Today to STOP S373?
1. Join USARK's Reptile Nation!There is Strength in Numbers... Protect Your Rights!
2. Call, write, email & fax the Sponsor and the Sub-Committee for S373. (contact info & sample letter below)
3. Be Polite & Professional. If you can't do this don't bother because it will damage our efforts.
4. ***Forward this to everyone on your email list, post it on every forum/ social networking site.
5. When you have finished with the steps above, send an email to [email protected] with 'No on S373' in the Subject Line so that USARK can track the number of responses.
Sample Letter (cut & paste):
Subject: NO on S373
I oppose S373 as written. The Burmese Python issue is a South Florida issue not a National one. There is No credible evidence to show that these animals can exist north of Lake Okeechobee. Many different species of Pythons have been imported into the US over the last 50 years. The only pythons that have been established have been Burmese Pythons, but only in South Florida; no where else. No evidence exists anywhere to suggest that Banning all Pythons will have any positive impact on the effected area in the southern tip of Florida.
Banning all pythons nationwide would have a devastating effect on an already troubled economy. It would destroy thousands of hardworking American families and small businesses. Not just the breeders and dealers but hobbyists, dry goods, equipment manufacturers, food providers, shippers, trade shows, hotels and restaurants. To overlook the crushing blow this would have to an entire segment of the economy is irresponsible.
(add what S373 would mean to you and your family)
Sincerely,
(signature line)
Contacts:
Senator Bill Nelson
716 Senate Hart Office Building, Washington, DC 20510
Phone: 202-224-5274
Fax: 202-228-2183
http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
Sheldon Whitehouse, D-RI
Hart Senate Office Building, Room 502, Washington, D.C. 20510
email: form at http://whitehouse.senate.gov/contact/ phone: 202-224-2921Fax: 202-228-6362
Tom Udall, D-NM
B40D Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510
email: form at http://tomudall.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm
phone: (202) 224-6621
Jeff Merkley, D-Ore
SDB-40B Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510
email: form at http://merkley.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm phone: (202) 228-3997fax: 202-2283997
Mike Crapo, Ranking Member, R-Idaho
239 Dirksen Senate Building, Washington, DC 20510
email: form at http://crapo.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
phone: (202) 224-6142fax: 202-228-1375
John Barrasso, R-WY
307 Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, DC 20510
email: form at http://barrasso.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.ContactForm
phone: (202) 224-6441
tollfree: (866) 235-9553
Lamar Alexander, R-TN
455 Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, DC 20510
email: form at http://alexander.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home
phone: (202) 224-4944fax: 202-228-3398
RobbiesCornField
Bring it on.
I would like to know, if S373 does wind up getting passed (god forbid), what do they plan on doing with all of the animals already in people's custody? Would current keepers get grandfathered in, and just not be allowed to get any more? Or would they confiscate and kill them all (which would make the shoe/boot makers incredibly happy)?
snakemom1961
Spring is here!
After reading this, that's exactly what I was wondering. I personally don't own any pythons, but have thought of getting a ball python once I feel I could properly care for one.
I'd be REALLY p@@@@ if they did decide to confiscate all pythons people have owned prior to this bad bill was passed.
I realize there are irresponsible owners out there, but the vast majority are very responsible and take proper care of their animals for the life of that animal.