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ultramel anery stripes

Which ultramel bloodred? Do you mean niges?

What you have just wrote about niges snake has totally contradicted what you say later on in your post. You seem to belive nige hasnt produced one as they dont look like the ones you have hatched and yet firther down you state that cornmorphs vary so much???

I have basically had one of these snakes next to an ultrmel aner and they do look identical obvioulsy apart from the markings

What i dont understand is if a ghost and an ultramel anery can look identical then what is the point of having them
 
Ummm

Yes his bloodred its probably a hypo blood and your stripe may as well just be hypo.
Unless you buy your animal knowing that its carring ultra in the mix.
I have hypos that look more like what people think ultramel suppose to look like. And ultramels that dont look like ultramel. Yes I said they vary,so why if it looks different is it a ultramel? The point of having them is the genes work different .Amel masks Hypo .
 
again from what you have wrote, why is my hatchling a ghost and niges a hypo blood?
You just stated you have ultramels that dont look like ultramels so why cant mine be an ultramel anery, ultra is floating around so its not hard for it to crop up
 
Well

It can be a ultramel,but to make a positive id, is impossable just by looks of a animal,unless you know for sure what the parents are.
Thats all I am saying..........!
 
I understand that with the gene lol im getting there

I just wish more people could see the snake in the flesh coz even though yes ghost can vary so much it looks so very diffrent and yes the same coz for an ultramel aner, they can vary too but this looks like a stereo-typical one. This is why iam arguing your point.
Yes snake morphs can vary hugely but why when my snake resembles a certain morph do people say that its looks more like a varied type of another

I cant judge nige as i havent really dealt with blood based morphs myself yet so havent seen many hypo versions or ultra versions( i know i havent worked with ultra aners either but i have seen a few examples)

All iam saying is why cant people be given the benifit of the doubt that yes thy may well of had murphy on their side and produced a stunner. I will be keeping most of the clutch back so will let yall know the outcomes.


Will prob try get hold of a snow stripe for my female of this clutch next year, i know of i could of used but he is homo/hetro hypo so will need another
 
Well

That snake is a stunner,no matter what it is, so is his bloodred.
But I dont get why its insisted that they are ultramel.
 
dirtydozen said:
I understand that with the gene lol im getting there

I just wish more people could see the snake in the flesh coz even though yes ghost can vary so much it looks so very diffrent and yes the same coz for an ultramel aner, they can vary too but this looks like a stereo-typical one. This is why iam arguing your point.
Yes snake morphs can vary hugely but why when my snake resembles a certain morph do people say that its looks more like a varied type of another

I cant judge nige as i havent really dealt with blood based morphs myself yet so havent seen many hypo versions or ultra versions( i know i havent worked with ultra aners either but i have seen a few examples)

All iam saying is why cant people be given the benifit of the doubt that yes thy may well of had murphy on their side and produced a stunner. I will be keeping most of the clutch back so will let yall know the outcomes.


Will prob try get hold of a snow stripe for my female of this clutch next year, i know of i could of used but he is homo/hetro hypo so will need another
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Because it's best to err on the side of caution and go with the more common genes than the less common ones and get your hopes up, only to get dumped on in the future when breeding trials don't prove out. It's one thing when you're working with parents that you are 100% sure of the genetics than when you start adding multiple hidden hets in not only one parent, but both. It wouldn't be the first time that somone took an assumption of genetics based solely on phenotype and ran with it, producing and selling hatchlings that were grossly mislabeled. Forgive us for being cautious.
 
In my clutch, there are no hypos, no hypo bloods. just normals, bloodreds, ultramels and ultramel bloodreds. I guess there is no point me attempting to argue with someone that has produced them a few times, so i wont.
I'll maybe stick some updated pictures up on a thread for you all to see..
hey DD, i did say these guys are controversial lol...
thing is, in the UK no one is allowed to produce rarer end of things, some of the big Americans simply dont like it... thats not a punt at you in general stephen, but its true.
 
thing is, in the UK no one is allowed to produce rarer end of things, some of the big Americans simply dont like it... thats not a punt at you in general stephen, but its true.
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You are fooling yourself if that is your honest belief.. *LOL* Most of us could care less of what you produce.. I think what you need to realize it is best to err on the side of caution then it is to eat your foot whole, when things don't turn out to be what is expected.. Never assume just because the breeder says its this or that, because it could prove you wrong, leaving you with egg on your face..


It might be an ultramel anery stripe, or it might not be.. There are red eyed ghosts floating around that are not ultra based.. Hypo does and can make a really light hypo or not..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Not really focused enough to confirm its color morph, but it does look homozygous stripe to me; looking at the width and clearness of it.
 
I have a red eyed ghost stripe. Now, he is older and the red seems to become black. He is also a lot darker than yours, but there are a lot of differences in a morph. I just wanted to let you know that I have a red eyed ghost.
Here you can find pics of him when he was younger.http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84067&highlight=striper

Greets Tania
 

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You are fooling yourself if that is your honest belief.. *LOL* Most of us could care less of what you produce.. I think what you need to realize it is best to err on the side of caution then it is to eat your foot whole, when things don't turn out to be what is expected.. Never assume just because the breeder says its this or that, because it could prove you wrong, leaving you with egg on your face..


It might be an ultramel anery stripe, or it might not be.. There are red eyed ghosts floating around that are not ultra based.. Hypo does and can make a really light hypo or not..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
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We do get quite a lot of this, maybe a kind of disrespect i suppose.. the majority are great tho of course and i am very happy about that.
its all part of the fun isnt it?, tryin to prove things out, make new morphs etc. I dont think anyone has said anything definately is something, we only go by advice and proving out.. to be honest, i would have prefered ultra never existed, it would be far easier to just hav everything recessive, if i DO have ultra in my blood and cinder project, then really it couldnt be further away from what i actually want...
 
Perhaps one reason that your little Ghost Mot looks so similar to a Ultramel Anery is because of the motley gene. The motley has a very lightening effect (which I'm sure you know), so don't just take the colors into consideration. Consider all the genetics that you are working with. It seems to me that it is more feesible to assume that it is a Ghost (and that your adults are het motley and/or strip) since those are the known genetics of the parents then to make the very narrow assumption that the parents must be het for amel and there must be an ultra gene hiding in there. Sure, there is a chance but it is very slim. I would also advise running breeding trials on the adults. Until then, claiming that this baby is an Ultramel Anery whatever is premature and a tad irrisponsible on a breeder's part.

As for the 'tude, cool it. You came on here asking for opinions. You subsequently got many opinions from people whose collective experience in breeding corns can exceed 100+ years. I would be damn grateful instead of playing a "poor me" card because you didn't get the answer you wanted. There are many people in the UK that have produced things I could only dream to see here, so please don't pull the "Americans are jealous" crud. The way everyone should look at it is there is a worldwide movement to ensure the discovery & contiuation of the special morphs, including combo morphs.

(Sorry if that sounded rash, but I have no tolerance for that sort of pity party).
 
We do get quite a lot of this, maybe a kind of disrespect i suppose.. the majority are great tho of course and i am very happy about that.
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Theres a bit of cultural divide too. Sometimes that can be a bit of an issue with communicating..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
We've got a Ghost Stripe poss het Amel we bought last year that had ruby red eyes also. He also had Super pink tones as a hatchling. His eyes have gone black now and he's more pale gray. Still gorgeous.
 
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