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Ultramel Anery verses Ultra Anery?
- Thread starter Tavia
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torsten
Too many yet too few!!!
From memory I believe that Don said that he think he can tell them apart in the first few days up to about a week (the exact age may be a bit off) but after that it becomes more difficult. I believe the method he was using to identify them was the eye colour. This was mentioned in a discussion about plain ultramels and ultra, i don't know whether this follows for ultramel morphs and ultra morphs you would have to ask the man himself.
This link: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74310 leads to my thread about one of my corns who i am not sure whether she is an ultra anery or an ultramel anery, she will be tested out in 2010 but its possible dependent on how much weight she puts on that she could breed this year, i will have to check on that.
This link: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74310 leads to my thread about one of my corns who i am not sure whether she is an ultra anery or an ultramel anery, she will be tested out in 2010 but its possible dependent on how much weight she puts on that she could breed this year, i will have to check on that.
KJUN
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Ultramels and Ultras are easy to tell apart when first hatched. Ultra caramels and golddusts are easy to tell apart when first hatched. Ultramel aner motleys and ultra aner motleys seem to be DANG near impossible to tell apart when first hatched. Ultramel aners and ultra aners seem to be near impossible to tell apart when first hatched. In other words, some combos are easy to tell apart (ultras are much darker than ultramels) while others are HARD or impossible. The differences in all of the morphs just mentioned seem to become less and less with age. After a few sheds, some ultras and ultramels can even be HARD to tell apart.
Sooo, it depends on the morph, but ultramel aners and ultra aners are ones I wouldn't separate by looks alone.
For that morph, the differences between the sexes seems more prominent in many than the differences between ultras and ultramels - ESPECIALLY for ultramel aner motleys!
KJ
Sooo, it depends on the morph, but ultramel aners and ultra aners are ones I wouldn't separate by looks alone.
For that morph, the differences between the sexes seems more prominent in many than the differences between ultras and ultramels - ESPECIALLY for ultramel aner motleys!KJ
KJUN
New member
No on the ultra caramels. I saw those at Don's house. I didn't bother to take an image. The ultra caramels there were MUCH darker than even an amber. They weren't just the color of a light caramel, though. Now, I wish I would have taken an image. They were extremely unique. Of course, I'm assuming that clutch was indicative of "average."
On the ultra/ultramel, I do have images running around somewhere. If you saw the recent ad I had posted for a group of ultramels, there was an image with an ultra and an ultramel coiled up together. Did you see that image? I'm looking for it, but I'm worried I deleted the image when the snakes sold. Gulp. If I come across it, I'll post it.
KJ
On the ultra/ultramel, I do have images running around somewhere. If you saw the recent ad I had posted for a group of ultramels, there was an image with an ultra and an ultramel coiled up together. Did you see that image? I'm looking for it, but I'm worried I deleted the image when the snakes sold. Gulp. If I come across it, I'll post it.
KJ
torsten
Too many yet too few!!!
A simple thing to do would be to by one ultramel anery and a snow then you would get half ultramel anerys and half snows.
in fact for the same price of a pair of ultramel anerys you could probably get an ultramel anery motley and a snow motley... then you would get the same result as above but they would all be motleys as well.
in fact for the same price of a pair of ultramel anerys you could probably get an ultramel anery motley and a snow motley... then you would get the same result as above but they would all be motleys as well.
KJUN
New member
You can't tell them apart. That's the point. Don and I have compared offspring and notes. Neither of us can tell. The best thing in such a case IMO is to sell them as ultramels that are possible ultras. This is why in MOST cases we don't breed ultramel to ultramel, but we do as torsetn suggestion - that was good advice offered to you.
KJ
Tavia
Elemental Exotics
Is there any other good combo's with an Ultramel Anery? I really, really do not like snows. Just my personal opinon. I don't like the opals, blizzards, ect. I do like any of the Aneries, Amber, Caramel & Goldusts. However I did want at least one blue eyed snake. I've got one 0.0.1 Normal right now & I'll only be able to get this pair for the next few years, so I want to be really happy with this pair.
Tavia
Elemental Exotics
I have another question about the Ultramel aneries, just to make sure I'm understanding this right. Despite the amel in the trade name, basically the only difference between an Ultramel anery & an Ultra anery, is one is het. for amel & can produce snows, while the Ultra can not? Thanks for everyone's replies!!
KJUN
New member
Ultra aners can't produce snows (or amels), but the difference is that ultras are homozygous for the ultra gene. Ultramels carry one copy of the amel allele and one of the ulra allele - NOT 2. Phenotypic differences are minor in adults, but MAY be obvious in some hatchling morphs (ultras are generally much darker than ultramels as hatchlings).
KJ
Tavia
Elemental Exotics
Tavia
Elemental Exotics
KJUN
New member
No. Coral snows are usually meant to meay hypoA snows, and you would have snows HET hypoA. On the bubblegums, that term is most often used to describe a selectively bred pink and green snow. You MIGHT get that color to come up in some of the babies, but you wouldn't know for sure until you raised them up some....and then you wouldn't be sure all of them would display the added colors.
If you selectively bred the ultramel aner to have a lot of the pink and green snows in their ancestry, you would then be somewhat safe (via selective breeding) to say the snows are pink snows or something....but I would be leary of someone calling them that in the F21 gen.
KJ
If you selectively bred the ultramel aner to have a lot of the pink and green snows in their ancestry, you would then be somewhat safe (via selective breeding) to say the snows are pink snows or something....but I would be leary of someone calling them that in the F21 gen.
KJ