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Unexplained Experiences... and LOLghosts

I have lots of little experiences here and there. Onetime I was sitting in my closet going through my rack and making sure all the snakes in there had everything they needed. When something touched my chest, it was something cold. For a second I was just like whatever then I was like wth something just touched me and there is nothing here???? I can't explain it...
 
Roy Munson said:
Well, for example, I've had literally thousands of what paranormal believers would call "out of body" experiences (or extracorporeal excursions). Train yourself to dream with volition, and these things can be commonplace. But they aren't truly "out of body" experiences. Lucid dreaming (where will applies in dreams) is not paranormal. It's mind over matter, or more accurately, mind over mind.
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DUDE I think you have a Chemical imbalance...maybe bi-polar or somethin' like that. LOL
I'm no doc but I believe Britany has been experiencing the same stuff. LOL :shrugs:
 
CALIVIK said:
DUDE I think you have a Chemical imbalance...maybe bi-polar or somethin' like that. LOL
I'm no doc but I believe Britany has been experiencing the same stuff. LOL :shrugs:
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say Vik, and I know next to nothing about Brit except that she used to be hot. :shrugs:
 
R.W. said:
I believe in the God and His name is Jesus Christ.
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what? your gods name is jesus christ? i thought jesus was the son of god? or something like that


im in no way shape or from religious nor do i believe in any god although i find it interesting like greek gods and stuff but i dont really believe in them
 
R.W. said:
I believe in the God and His name is Jesus Christ.
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Yeah and I am Pagan. Your god isn't my god...so what's your point? I don't see how this got to be a religious battle. Dean just posted something he thought was funny.. I thought it was amusing anyway. I seriously doubt that his intention was to battle out the belief or non belief of the Christian God or any other god for that matter.

So.... back to the topic of the thread.... anyone hear any good ghost stories lately?
 
tanner123 said:
what? your gods name is jesus christ? i thought jesus was the son of god? or something like that


im in no way shape or from religious nor do i believe in any god although i find it interesting like greek gods and stuff but i dont really believe in them
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Jesus is the Son of God. God exists in the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One God but three entities. Jesus is my Lord and Savior. God's Son that I believe was sent to earth to die for my sins that I may eternal life with Him.

I guess I am similar to you in a way. I don't believe in "religion". Most non-believers would call Christianity a "religion" because that is what it is commonly reffered to as and I'm not saying it's bad to call it that. But the man made aspect of it, the different denominations (Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, etc.), the different rituals and rules that we have to follow at church and the whole do this many good things if you want to get to heaven deal, that is "religion". True Christianity is accepting Jesus into your heart and having a personal relationship with Him.

I also enjoy and find it interesting to learn about other peoples cultures and religions even though I don't believe in the same things they do. Alot people think that all I'm argue with them when I really want to learn about what they believe and why. I hate arguing with people but I will defend my beliefs. Of course I believe that God is the only True God, but I'm not going to judge people an try to "force" it down their throats, but if I have the opportuniy to talk talk to them about such things, I hope that I can be a witness to them and that God's Light would shine through me. This is what I believe.
 
ZoologyMajor said:
Yeah and I am Pagan. Your god isn't my god...so what's your point? I don't see how this got to be a religious battle. Dean just posted something he thought was funny.. I thought it was amusing anyway. I seriously doubt that his intention was to battle out the belief or non belief of the Christian God or any other god for that matter.

So.... back to the topic of the thread.... anyone hear any good ghost stories lately?
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I thought it was funny too. I just had something to say. I didn't think it was becoming a religious debate. I hate debates. I was just posting my opinion like everyone else. Neither is my intention to battle about beliefs in God or gods or anything like that. It is kinda weird how the thread got off topic like that though, I guess I am to blame. Lol.

But come to think of it I haven't heard any good ghost stories lately, but I'll keep ya'll posted if I do.:)
 
Mr.AJ said:
What utter bollocks! I'm sorry but that is rubbish.

First of all you have to understand the scientific use of the word "Theory" is different to the popular "domestic" use of the word "Theory". "Scientific Theory" results from the application of scientific methods in a way to explain phenomenon or sets of phenomena based on extensive research, evidence and testing.

Seen as you brought up evolution, and your disbelief of it i'll use THAT as an example...
Evolution is an on-going process, It doesn't just stop. Therefore it can (and has) been observed. The easiest example being Bacteria, There are many Antibiotic resistant strains of common illnesses, These Antibiotic resistant strains have evolved from earlier strains that were very susceptible to the Antibiotic. Bacteria evolution has also been observed in many other forms of bacteria, For example the Escherichia coli virus has been observed mutating into new strains with completely different Genetic makeup in as little as 4 days. Also, theres several documented instances of Speciation (When one species evolves into another.) involving multi-cellular organisms [Info]. Theres also molecular test results from tests carried out on various plants and animals that support the scientific theory of evolution. Hell, Just look at corn snakes. The amount of different colour morphs available, All stemming from a single mutation - THAT is Evolution through inheritable mutations.
http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62986&page=12
Unexplained Experiences... and LOLghosts - Page 12 - CornSnakes.com Forums
Want more evidence of evolution? Look it up on the net... theres hundreds if not thousands of points to consider. Shared Pseudogenes between species. The fact that many different species can interbreed (Donkey/Horse = Mule.).

Scientific theorys are not just pulled out of someones imagination, like other things i can think of have been. They've been tried and tested many, many times before they are accepted as fact.

Do you deny gravity exists aswell?.
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I never said scientific theories are pulled out of peoples imaginations and I never said that just because they are theories that they are not fact, but that they can not be proven fact. Lets say someone holds an apple three inches off a table and lets go. What do you think will happen? The apple will mostly likely times, one would assume that this would always happen but for all they know the next time they go to drop the apple, it might just float there in thin-air. I guess thats the point that I am trying to make. I don't think that evolution is all rubbish either. Evoultion has gone on and is still going on. It is my fault for not specifying what type of evolution I was refering to. Your examples of corn snake color mutations and the bacteria are excellent representations of the type that is constantly repeated and observed. The name for each type of evolution escapes me now, but forgive me, maybe evoulution wasn't the best term/theory to use. What I mean would apply more to something like the Big Bang Theory. It cannot be observed or repeated, so it has to be accpeted by faith. Many people have found what they truly believe to be evidence of this and other theories similar to it, but it cannot be proven as fact, though it is often taught as if it were. I am not specifically saying that soemthing is not true because it cannot be "proven" though.
 
R.W. said:
...Alot people think that all I'm argue with them when I really want to learn about what they believe and why...
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If that is really how you feel, you should research agnosticism & atheism, it is very interesting! Also do some research on the Council of Nicaea, find out who they were and what they did and then look up and read up on what you can find on the Second Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ. Fascinating stuff. The more educated and informed you are, the better you can defend your beliefs. ;)
 
R.W. said:
I never said scientific theories are pulled out of peoples imaginations and I never said that just because they are theories that they are not fact, but that they can not be proven fact. Lets say someone holds an apple three inches off a table and lets go. What do you think will happen? The apple will mostly likely times, one would assume that this would always happen but for all they know the next time they go to drop the apple, it might just float there in thin-air. I guess thats the point that I am trying to make. I don't think that evolution is all rubbish either. Evoultion has gone on and is still going on. It is my fault for not specifying what type of evolution I was refering to. Your examples of corn snake color mutations and the bacteria are excellent representations of the type that is constantly repeated and observed. The name for each type of evolution escapes me now, but forgive me, maybe evoulution wasn't the best term/theory to use. What I mean would apply more to something like the Big Bang Theory. It cannot be observed or repeated, so it has to be accpeted by faith. Many people have found what they truly believe to be evidence of this and other theories similar to it, but it cannot be proven as fact, though it is often taught as if it were. I am not specifically saying that soemthing is not true because it cannot be "proven" though.
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Yes, But you cannot repeat or prove anything written in the bible, Or taught as fact at sunday schools either. There's no real firm evidence to back up anything in the bible, Its just built up a following over thousands of years - as is the nature of a belief system.

The Big Bang has theoretical support from many mathematical models known as the Friedmann Models which demonstrate how the big bang theory is consistent with General Relativity and with the Cosmological Principle, two of the most popular (And widely accepted) theories about the universe.

Theres lots of really interesting, and good information about the Big Bang on its wikipedia article I'd suggest reading them, makes for some very interesting light reading.

Don't get me wrong, Im not trying to bash your belief system - I was raised by a Christian family and had Christianity literally forced down my throat for the first 16 years of my life, Both at home and at school. However i rejected the idea from around the ages of 7-8.
Most Christians i have met, and had similar discussions with firs of all deny the scientific theories but cannot explain why, As it is not the actual science they disagree with. It is the fact it goes against most things written in Genesis in a literal sense, and this cannot be accepted by them.

However i do have to ask, Why can the science not be accepted by some
Christians without altering their beliefs? So what if the science counter-acts
what Genesis says. Genesis was written by man in an attempt to explain things. Who's not to say The big bang DID happen, but was created by God as a way to spark the process of evolution and life. :shrugs:
 
Oh and the 3 main types of evolution are Divergent Evolution (When the offspring from a single parent species branches off and gradually become different - such as human and apes coming from the same common ancestor.), Convergent Evolution (When two species evolve similar traits because because of a shared enviroment or selection process) and Parallel Evolution (When two species evolve independently of each other but keep the same similarity's and characteristics - eg. Placental mammals and Marsupial mammals) The three main mechanisms are mutation, natural selection and genetic drift.

As for ghost stories... Not heard any good ones lately! I'll ask my Gran if anything spooky has happened to her lately when i pop around to check up on her next week. She's always got a spooky story, Or 60. You'd think she lives in the twilight zone some of the time. :p
 
Mr.AJ said:
Yes, But you cannot repeat or prove anything written in the bible, Or taught as fact at sunday schools either. There's no real firm evidence to back up anything in the bible, Its just built up a following over thousands of years - as is the nature of a belief system.


Theres lots of really interesting, and good information about the Big Bang on its wikipedia article I'd suggest reading them, makes for some very interesting light reading.

Don't get me wrong, Im not trying to bash your belief system - I was raised by a Christian family and had Christianity literally forced down my throat for the first 16 years of my life, Both at home and at school. However i rejected the idea from around the ages of 7-8.
Most Christians i have met, and had similar discussions with firs of all deny the scientific theories but cannot explain why, As it is not the actual science they disagree with. It is the fact it goes against most things written in Genesis in a literal sense, and this cannot be accepted by them.

However i do have to ask, Why can the science not be accepted by some
Christians without altering their beliefs? So what if the science counter-acts
what Genesis says. Genesis was written by man in an attempt to explain things. Who's not to say The big bang DID happen, but was created by God as a way to spark the process of evolution and life. :shrugs:
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True, things in the Bible, Creation for example, cannot be proven, but have to be accepted by faith. There is evidence to support things that happen in the Bible, but nothing that can actually prove them because they cannot be observed or repeated and once again, they have to be accepted by faith. In sunday schools, God and the Biblical account of Creation are taught as fact because they are accepted by faith as fact. I think sundays school teachers should teach children ABOUT evolution and the Big Bang theories, at least when the children are old enough to really understand a difference, which would be different for all children since they mature at different rate, so that they know what else is out there. That way they can better defend there belief in God or if they want to, can choose to follow the Big Bang/Evolution theories. Even if a secular school insists on teaching the Big Bang or Evolution as if it were fact, I think they should at least teach ABOUT creationism at least as a theory for the same reasons. Both the sunday schools and secular schoools I think should provide what evidence there is supporting both theories and the evidence that...whats word the I'm looking for?...well the opposite of support for each of them. Lol You can't really "choose" if you don't know the "facts" and you shouldn't just jump into something based on what someone else has said. If you come to a fork in the road, which way do you go? Left or right? Well, first you look down each road. You try to see what lies at the end from all perspectives. You look at the road itself. Is it in good condition? Are there any signs telling you where it leads? You obviously don't want to take a road that leads you away from your destination, no matter how good it looks. From this information you base your decision and choose a road to take. Now lets say you come to similar situation, but this time there is a big bush or rock covering one of the roads so that you don't even reealize that the road is there? You have one choice: Take the available road. (I mean, I guess one could just sit down and not go any further or turn back, but lets sy you were being chased by vampire chihuhuas just to make those options off limits :crazy02:) It's kinda like that.

I will definitely read over those wikipedia articles, though I confess that I am always a little wary of ANYTHING presented on wikipedia, regardless of what it says or supports, because anyone can edit it. But thanks though.:)

Many people today, both Christian and non-Christian, believe that science and God are at two different ends of the spectrum, but it was not always so. The first great men of science were Believers or had a great respect for the Bible and showed how true science supported God and Creation. Johaness Kepler (Did I spell that right?) Galileo, Newton, Pasteur, the list goes on. Many "Christians" today, sadly, really don't know what they belive or they don't know why they belive what they belive. I don't think they HAVE to, but I think that most should try to research as much as they can and learn about what they believe in. Don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for someone who knows what they belive in and cannot be shaken even if it is based on faith alone, but not everyone is like that, some people need more evidence before they commit to something. I also have alot of respect for someone who knows what they belive and why, regardless of their beliefs. It also really bothers me when I hear Christians call science the ultimate evil. This bothers me for more reasons then one, but I'll only talk about one them. Christians should view science as a gift from God. I should be used as a tool to help us better understand His magnifcanets and the complexity/miracle of His creation. True science should not contradict the Bible, but will actually help support it. Many things, both outside and inside the Bible itself, seem to contradict it and make it seem false, but upon further/closer inspection, these things do not hold up.

I don't belive that the Big Bang happened, but I wasn't there. The Biblical account just doesn't agree with the theory. Alsothere are parts that don't seem to make sense in the theory itself. But I do belive that IF it happened, that God used it to create and then guided everything else, but remeber I don't belive that it actually took place. Based on the Biblical account God created the Universe Ex Nihilo and did it in 6 days. But I do accept these different theories as, well valid theories without altering my beliefs. My thought is, I won't know EXACTLY how God created everything until Im dead and in Heaven with Him, but I do belive that if ANY of these theories are true, God used and guided them to accomplish His Will.

I have really enjoyed having this conversation with you so far. I haven't heard any good ghost stories recently either though.:)
 
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