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Unexplained Experiences... and LOLghosts

R.W. said:
Even if a secular school insists on teaching the Big Bang or Evolution as if it were fact, I think they should at least teach ABOUT creationism at least as a theory for the same reasons.
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Yeah, but there are about a zillion creation stories out there. The biblical account is only one of them. If we were to spend the time in schools teaching about all of them, when would there be time to teach about real scientific theories for which there is actually supporting evidence? "God did it" or "Tabaldak did it" aren't particularly helpful explanations for someone training to be an epidemiologist.

And creationism isn't a theory, at least not in the scientific sense. It has no place in a science classroom.
 
Roy Munson said:
Yeah, but there are about a zillion creation stories out there. The biblical account is only one of them. If we were to spend the time in schools teaching about all of them, when would there be time to teach about real scientific theories for which there is actually supporting evidence? "God did it" or "Tabaldak did it" aren't particularly helpful explanations for someone training to be an epidemiologist.

And creationism isn't a theory, at least not in the scientific sense. It has no place in a science classroom.
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I need to clarify. I don't mean specificaly the Biblical account. I mean Intelligent Design in general. I mean, learn not only about the secular side of things, but also about what other theories include. Well-rounded iguess would be term I would use. I believe one thing, but that doesn't man that I refuse to even learn about the other theories that are out there. There is supporting evidence for things that happen in the Bible. I am not an expert in apolegetics and I can not name all of the evidence off the top of my head, but the Bible is not completely unbased. Also remember that not allseemingly "supportive evidence" is actaually true. It may appear to be true or it may be made to look true. In any case, one should always be careful before they accept evidence as valid.
 
R.W. said:
I need to clarify. I don't mean specificaly the Biblical account. I mean Intelligent Design in general. I mean, learn not only about the secular side of things, but also about what other theories include. Well-rounded iguess would be term I would use. I believe one thing, but that doesn't man that I refuse to even learn about the other theories that are out there. There is supporting evidence for things that happen in the Bible. I am not an expert in apolegetics and I can not name all of the evidence off the top of my head, but the Bible is not completely unbased. Also remember that not allseemingly "supportive evidence" is actaually true. It may appear to be true or it may be made to look true. In any case, one should always be careful before they accept evidence as valid.
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But intelligent design isn't a scientific theory either. And most people realize that ID is just creationism in disguise. Who are ID's proponents?

And just because there may be evidence to support some places, people, or even events in the bible does not mean that there is evidence to support many bible claims. The bible is a very poor science text.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the part I bolded.
 
Roy Munson said:
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the part I bolded.
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Sorry. What I'm trying to say there is that just because something appears to prove or support something, that doesn't mean that it actually does. It may just seem that way or it may have been purposely made to look that way by someone. No amount of evidence can really "make" something true, but the more valid evidence you have, the more likely it is to be true. One just has to be careful when trying to discern what evidence is true and what is false.:)
 
so im aware of a good chunk of creationism theories but im pretty sure i fell asleep for the one about the bible with adam and eve in history class... So if this were infact true (not saying it is or isn't) is that supposed to mean that dinosaurs didn't exist at all? (sorry if i missed the answer in a previous post)
 
ancient history they taught us evolution, adam and eve, the chinese one with the clay people, and one other one. obviously not as fact but he told us all the stories and some stuff about them
 
Wow, your ancient history classes must be very different to ours.

Our history teachers never went anywhere near biblical studies, from any religion. Only historical facts. The only time the bible was ever mentioned was when we was taught about King Henry 8th.
 
yah we got into lots of different things like that with different religions and like greek gods and egyptian gods and roman and learned about who jesus was and that stuff
 
tanner123 said:
ancient history they taught us evolution, adam and eve, the chinese one with the clay people, and one other one. obviously not as fact but he told us all the stories and some stuff about them
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This is what I am talking about.:)

In response to the dinosaur thing. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that supports the existence of dinosaurs. The bones for one thing. Of course I believe dinosaurs existed. They still do. Crocs, gators, the tuatara, and who is to say that there aren't T-rexs on some island out in the middle of the ocean, just because no one has seen them...recently...doesn't mean that they aren't still there. I think the likelyhood of them being alive isn't too great though. As far as the Adam and Eve part of it is concerned: If God created animals, and dinosaurs were animals, than God created dinosaurs. I cannot explain what may have happened to many of the smaller species, but alot of the dinosaurs were VERY large. Bigger creatures need more oxygen and other requirments. One theory suggests that before the world wide Flood mentioned in Genisis, there was a much higher amount of oxygen in the air, something like 70%, but that may be too much as I forget the specific numbers, and greater atmospheric pressure. Well, the higher amount of oxygen would indeed support creatures that large, and a combo of both the oxygen would also help explain why people were suppoded to live so long. People heal faster under greater pressure because oxygen is forced into their tissues, and with more oxygen in the air already... But anyway, the Flood comes and there are dinosaurs on the Arc just like the other animals. However, seeing as the entire planet is now covered with water, that causes alot shifting in the earth's weight. Causing the planet to actually tilt. (According this theory, the earth's poles where originally straight "up and down" instead of at an angle). This tilt is going to change the way the sun light hits the earth, thus changing the temps. Massive amounts of water are coming not only from the sky, but from pockets beneath the earths crust as well, causing shifting of the continents, erosion and mountains to form very rapidly. As a result the oxygen-nitrogen ratios change and so does the pressure. After the Flood, temps are different, which probably contributed some too, but w/out that high amount of oxygen, those large dinosaurs cannot survive and die off. In Biblical account we also see life spans become increasingly shorter for a while until averaging out to about 80 or so years. This is one theory, and it is also the one that I tend to lean towards.
 
but if thats the case (not denying thats what happened anythings possible)how come dinosaurs arent mentioned in the bible like anywhere you'd think they'd mention something about people living along side of these massive animals and how noah got them on the arc
 
Where does the 70% oxygen theory come from?.

Just curious as, as far as i'm aware (Although im by no means a well educated scientist.) the human body can not cope with high levels of oxygen for extended periods of time, It would eventually destroy (Not repair.) cell body's.

Also i don't see how the earth flooding would cause the earth to tilt could you elaborate on that?.
 
jazzgeek said:
Yes, they should.

Should people learn theology as science?

regards,
jazz
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Theology isn't a "true" science but I would say:Yes. I wouldn't say that Theology itslef is the science, but that science can/should be used in Theology. I understand what you mean by the different uses of the word theory though, but I mean that unless it is actually "proven" as fact, not just widely accepted as and most likely to be fact, it is still a theory in the layman sense.
 
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