h0mersimps0n
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what suppliment do you suggest?
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Unhealthy hatchling?
- Thread starter JaketheTick
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CAV
Dazed and Cornfused
Since it hasnt been addressed......
Actually I'd like to offer another opinion on the little guy in the photo. Was he "popped"? Given the location and nature of the hump in the photo, I'd suggest that there may have been an unfortunate mishap during that process, resulting in physical damage to the spine. BTW, that could also explain why things are hanging out. Just a thought
Actually I'd like to offer another opinion on the little guy in the photo. Was he "popped"? Given the location and nature of the hump in the photo, I'd suggest that there may have been an unfortunate mishap during that process, resulting in physical damage to the spine. BTW, that could also explain why things are hanging out. Just a thought
bmm
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I myself do not use supplements. But I am definitly on the fence line in trying to decide.
I was under the assumption that most wild corns are eating not only rodents but a lot of lizards as well. They on their own have a far lower nutrional value than a feeder mouse I think, although I lost this nifty page that had it all listed so I may be wrong. I would think it is correct that what most people feed mice is not giving them exactly what they get in nature but I am also afriad that filling them up with powdered vitamins or any vitamins might also not be the best idea in the long run for that specific animal although it must likely wouldn't effect future generations they way a deficeny would I guess.
I think so far the best way to get things into animals is done by the lizard folk. Gut loading insects. Doing this with high quality gut load and dusting only once per week is normally what's advised. Would this not be another valuable option when feeding rodents for snakes?
bmm
I was under the assumption that most wild corns are eating not only rodents but a lot of lizards as well. They on their own have a far lower nutrional value than a feeder mouse I think, although I lost this nifty page that had it all listed so I may be wrong. I would think it is correct that what most people feed mice is not giving them exactly what they get in nature but I am also afriad that filling them up with powdered vitamins or any vitamins might also not be the best idea in the long run for that specific animal although it must likely wouldn't effect future generations they way a deficeny would I guess.
I think so far the best way to get things into animals is done by the lizard folk. Gut loading insects. Doing this with high quality gut load and dusting only once per week is normally what's advised. Would this not be another valuable option when feeding rodents for snakes?
bmm
h0mersimps0n
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Rich, here's an interesting question: whats the average lifespan of your adult corns?
just out of curiosity...
Thanks
just out of curiosity...
Thanks
bmm
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Well hey I am just saying, so far nothing proves nothing when it comes to why hatchlings are born with kinks if you ask me. No one really knows. And I am sure there are more than one factor.
And I would LOVE to have a couple groups of corns and get blood run on them. A group vitamins, a group non-vitamins, etc. Just too see what shows up and whats lacking, or being overdone.
I am sure if people are supplementing, not supplementing or over supplementing many wouldn't even know it unless blood work was done. But since these snakes are hardy, there is room for this kind of human error no matter who is right or wrong. It doesn't seem to effect them signifigantly one way or another though from what I have heard.
Although I do KNOW that many chams and other lizards have had problems with oversupplementation, even my iguana did when I first got her. Everyone kept telling them "dust the food, dust the food!" when in reality they were way over doing it. I guess it doesn't matter with snakes though, since they only eat one item prey week and not each day like lizards.
bmm
And I would LOVE to have a couple groups of corns and get blood run on them. A group vitamins, a group non-vitamins, etc. Just too see what shows up and whats lacking, or being overdone.
I am sure if people are supplementing, not supplementing or over supplementing many wouldn't even know it unless blood work was done. But since these snakes are hardy, there is room for this kind of human error no matter who is right or wrong. It doesn't seem to effect them signifigantly one way or another though from what I have heard.
Although I do KNOW that many chams and other lizards have had problems with oversupplementation, even my iguana did when I first got her. Everyone kept telling them "dust the food, dust the food!" when in reality they were way over doing it. I guess it doesn't matter with snakes though, since they only eat one item prey week and not each day like lizards.
bmm
I don't tend to keep adults all that long to be able to tell how long they might actually live. Too many projects going on to allow me to do that.
The oldest one I recall was my original Okeetee that I got back in 1986 that I bred up till last year then gave her to one of the guys working for me to keep as a pet for his daughter. She is still alive as far as I know.
Most of my adults get moved on to new homes when they are roughly 7 or 8 years old and the second and third generation animals from them are then at breeding age. The only reason I kept that Okeetee so long was because she was such a puppy dog and I liked having her around.
But with the numbers I am now working with, I find that I have to move along roughly 300 adults each year to have room for the new ones coming on line to breed. There will be very few animals that can get past the multiple culling each year to reach ripe old age around here.
The oldest one I recall was my original Okeetee that I got back in 1986 that I bred up till last year then gave her to one of the guys working for me to keep as a pet for his daughter. She is still alive as far as I know.
Most of my adults get moved on to new homes when they are roughly 7 or 8 years old and the second and third generation animals from them are then at breeding age. The only reason I kept that Okeetee so long was because she was such a puppy dog and I liked having her around.
But with the numbers I am now working with, I find that I have to move along roughly 300 adults each year to have room for the new ones coming on line to breed. There will be very few animals that can get past the multiple culling each year to reach ripe old age around here.
JaketheTick
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Ok, in response to CAVs question..NO he wasnt popped, he hatched that way...and I dont believe you could do that to a snake from "popping" him unless you did it with a c-clamp and a hammer. The little guy, or girl, im not sure because whether or not it actually his hemipenes or not im not sure, is twisted all to pieces. That isnt one lump near his cloaca, the first lump is about and 1/2 inch ahead of his cloaca, and his whole spine is like spiraled down from there giving it a lumpy appearance...like some kind of snake scoliosis(sp?) or something. Popping, even by the most inexperienced fellow, I dont think could cause this.
PS..not to mention if it had been deformed from "popping", i probably wouldnt be on here asking what would cause it...seeing as how that would probably classify as abuse...
PS..not to mention if it had been deformed from "popping", i probably wouldnt be on here asking what would cause it...seeing as how that would probably classify as abuse...