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What do breed to a snow

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Shmoges

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I have a female snow that I have bred to a motley diffused and I got half anery's and half normals with some looking partially motley. Thats all the genetic info I have of both parents. I would like to get a male snake that I could breed to the female and get snows but I would like to get something better or more unique than a snow. A motley or stripe snow would be the lowest "if you will" I would consider. I am wondering can you breed blizzards or avalaches or whiteouts to a snow and get snows still? I apologies for my lack of knowledge and appreciate your comments. I have read that snows are het for anery and amel so I am assuming the male diffused was het anery and motley?
 
A blizzard to a snow would not produce snows. Blizzards are anery B (charcoal), not anery A. I'm not really into white morphs, so I don't remember what's in an avalanche (I think it's a diffused snow) or a whiteout (diffused blizzard?). Someone will correct me on that. LOL
 
I think you (dionythicus) are right...Avalanche I believe is amel, anery and diffused. And Whiteout is amel charcoal and diffused.

To the original question, snows are not het anery, they are homozygous recessive anery. For most cornsnake traits, a snake that is het for something will not be visibly expressing that trait. So a snake that was het for anery and amel would look like a normal cornsnake but carrying the genes that make it possible to produce an anery and amel.

Each trait has 2 copies of a gene, either recessive or dominant. One copy from the mother, one from the father. Snake needs both copies to be recessive in order to be visibly expressed. Therefore if you want anything, both parents must have at least 1 recessive copy of the trait. The snow has 2 recessive copies of amel, and 2 recessive of anery. Therefore, to produce snows you will need to breed it to a male that has either 1 or 2 recessive copies for both amel and anery (therefore, either it is anery and amel, or het anery and amel, or whatever). It can have as many other traits as you want it to have, as long as it has recessive copy of anery and amel. So Breeding it to an avalanche would work, as you would get offspring that are snow het for diffused. A snow stripe would work, a hypo snow would work, a caramel snow would work, a lavender het amel and anery would work (though you would get some normal offspring as well). As long as it has at least 1 recessive copy of both amel and anery you should get some snows.

Because of the half anery offspring you got from the snow x motley diffused, the motley diffused is also het anery.
 
Dionythicus is correct. :) Snows are homo anery and amel. So anything you breed to your snow that is het anery and amel is going to get you anerys, amels, snows and normals.
 
When you say more unique, what do you mean? Snows are some of the more commonly bread morphs out there. It is a combination of anery A & amel. Since they are more common there are a lot of "line bread" snows out there. Look up champagne snow, coral snow, green spotted snow, & bubble gum snow to name a few. They are all "just" snows with people arguing that corals have either hypo or strawberry. The difference is that they are from lines of specifically chosen snakes of a certain look or phenotype & breed over and overany generations weeding out the wanted phenotype. If you have a snow and want something "unique" to come from that female I say look into those line breed animals and try crossing your snake into that line. Some babies might look unique. But you may have to hold a male & female. Raise those for 3 years. Breed them and do the same again over and over until you have the desired look. That takes a while but look at Corncalc.com and enter in amel and anery for the female and play with other geans and look at percentages. There are also links that take you to pictures of what babies might look like. For most high level combos you may be looking at 1/64 chances of success of what you want and that is after breeding the babies from your 1st clutch and pairing babies from that. While those odds hit every year for some breeders, Murphy laughs at most of us. Good luck with your endeavors. Snows are great snakes to work with and can be a lot of fun.
 
Pssst....Arpolis, I think you meant "bred" not bread, as in sandwich. Although a breaded snake might be tasty. >snerk<
 
Lmao. iPhone corrective text some times make me look a fool.. That's what I get for not doing a self spell check.
 
Not to be horrible, but I truly believe that a person should take some time to learn BASIC genetics before throwing 2 animals together and creating random life.....
Please, think and learn before you act..maybe learn what blizzards, avalanches and whiteouts actually are first?
 
I read a book about basic reptile genetics about 3 times and I am still confused. Some has sank in but obviously its hard for me to grasp. I have read what those 3 morphs are off of vmsherps and I was not sure if anery a,b would work together.
 
NOTHING works together...except tessera and ultra when it is combined with amel. (Right? I don't work with either gene but I do believe that is how it works).
 
From my understanding tessera is dominant and can work with any snake at about a 50/50 chance but the phenotype is always classic with the tessera pattern unless the tessera is het/homo for the genes involved with the other parent. Ultra is the only gene allelic to amel. So an ultra crossed with an amel you get something in between called ultramel.
 
Thank you cmalchow I have played with corn calc and have looked at Ians quite a bit I really like the morph info that vmsherps.com has.
 
starsevol said:
Not to be horrible, but I truly believe that a person should take some time to learn BASIC genetics before throwing 2 animals together and creating random life.....
Please, think and learn before you act..maybe learn what blizzards, avalanches and whiteouts actually are first?
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I am sure you are trying to help but to be honest your not horrible your comment was rude and assuming. I am always hesitant to ask a question on this forum because of comments like this. I stick around because there are some very nice ppl here.
 
Shmoges said:
I am sure you are trying to help but to be honest your not horrible your comment was rude and assuming. I am always hesitant to ask a question on this forum because of comments like this. I stick around because there are some very nice ppl here.
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Yes, some of the nicest people around live here, and I am definately not one of them!!
But honestly, read what you posted.
You are basically saying that you want to create life with no clue what is what......your girl is a living breathing thing that should not be put through breeding without a goal....she is not an erector set!!
 
Says the guy who runs a business breeding, oh wait you have a goal. What would you do if you had a diffused motley and wanted to know what he may or may not be able to produce with limited resources (I know you will love this one eh? Calling females resources). I actually did do a lot of thinking and planning and made sure I would have homes for the babies. It was a great experience that I don't regret. I am not running a business, and I want to learn more about breeding corns. So how about you keep your insults to yourself and rather than generalize and assume ask a question before you form an opinion about me.
 
Shmoges said:
Says the guy who runs a business breeding, oh wait you have a goal. What would you do if you had a diffused motley and wanted to know what he may or may not be able to produce with limited resources (I know you will love this one eh? Calling females resources). I actually did do a lot of thinking and planning and made sure I would have homes for the babies. It was a great experience that I don't regret. I am not running a business, and I want to learn more about breeding corns. So how about you keep your insults to yourself and rather than generalize and assume ask a question before you form an opinion about me.
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LOL If you think this is a business for me, you are hysterical!! My animals are my pets first and foremost, and I produce limited numbers of babies, the last few years mostly doing breeding loans with some of the most respected people in the corn snake world. If I had a diffused motley, I already know what I would breed him with, I would not "want to know"...
I KNOW basic genetics.
And I don't believe I am insulting you when I tell you that you should not be breeding unless you have a clue what you are doing.
There is a huge difference between breeder and backyard breeder.
Throwing 2 animals together for the heck of it is the latter.
 
Knock it off, all of you. You are all expressing mere personal OPINIONS, not facts engraved in stone.

So cease with the personal sniping, please. This site will get along just fine without it.

And don't make me pull over and have to say "fella".... :laugh:
 
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