What is Cayenne Fire?

[zorro]

From what I understand-

Redcoat: top layer of red covering the ground, blotches, and often the belly. It is believed to be co-dominate and a key ingredient in champagne snows.

Red-Factor (sometimes called Red-Mask): an extra layer of red in the ground color only that can be stacked through subsequent generations. Found in neons, specters, sunglows, and cayenne fires.

I would also consider both redcoat and red factor to be present in bloodreds.

I would agree that there is something extra in the true bloodreds but as you said the Red-Factor is found in neons, specters, sunglows, and cayenne fires. Not in all bloodreds.
John

 

[dave partington]

I've long suspected there may be several different 'red factors', because some come in when the hatchling hatches, others take a few sheds before the color comes in, yet other versions take many months to years to flush in. Whether they are traits or genes I suspect there are some of both. I suspect the base color of the classic/locality stock in their background genetics is a major player too.

 

[snakepunk]

Yes, I forgot to add the salmon snows/ghost to my list above underfed-factor. It was (and still is by some) believed that strawberry was responsible for the intense pink ground color, but test breedings have proven not the case.

There are also anery salmons (anery red-factor) as well. It's also became evident to me that the anerys which stay black on silver as adults are anery redcoats.

 

[snakepunk]

* under red-factor.
Not underfed-factor. That's the morph nobody wants.

 

[snakepunk]

That's a good point Dave about base color. I may try some breeding experiments using a red-factor male to an orange-background okeetee female and a silvery-background miami to how the results compare.

 

[ZiggysMom]

Snakepunk thank you for the information. I will be looking forward to your experiments.

 

[dave partington]

That's a good point Dave about base color. I may try some breeding experiments using a red-factor male to an orange-background okeetee female and a silvery-background miami to how the results compare.

I'm going to play with some RF X Anery Extreme (not okeetee).
The pair of w/c Extremes (jmg) proved het for_some_kind_of_anery

Here's the w/c parents. They have some (few) black specks here and there,and lots of black on their bellies, so they are not hypo.

It would be interesting to see how RF's work with anerys other then a&b; lavender, cinder, silver queen, caramel come to mind.

 

[MysticExotics]

I could be wrong, but it's my understanding that Cayenne Fire is essentially Fire (Amel/Bloodred) with Red Factor. Cinaed is het Cayenne Fire & clearly the Red Factor is visible in him. I paired him with a Coral Snow female & some of the babies are showing RF influence, even after just the first shed.

There is much to be learned about it yet.

In doing some research, I found that Cayenne Fires, are selectively bred Fires to be brighter red, more diffused.
I do suspect there may be some added gene or influence that gives it the extra red, as well as in Sunglows.

ah so 'red coat' and 'red factor' are totally different and unrelated genes?

At one time, it seemed that they were the same, just called different names.
Joe Pierce has done more work with what he calls Red Coat, (I *think* it's the same as what Don S. calls Red Mask), which Don mentions in relation to Cayenne Fires.

I have a Cayenne Fire female that Don produced, that was from a joint project between Don and Martha (Poppycorns). I will be using her to test some of my theories as well.

I've only had experience with Red Factor, the dominant gene.
I've held back a few babies to continue to see what all I can figure out with this gene. I also have the sire, who is responsible for the RF babies.
He looked mostly like a normal Tessera, but had a hint of red wash that I noticed, and that turned out to be RF.

I did not expect to see that in the babies he sired, so needless to say, I was very happy.

Here's baby pics, and an adult pic of the RF Tessera male het Cayenne Fire.
I am really excited to see how his babies turn out, and continue working with this gene.