What would I get if I bred ? with ?

[cornscorpfrog]

What would I get if I bred a butter het stripe with a amel?
I can not find out because I don't know what genetics make a butter.

 

[Jynx]

butter is amel and carmel. You would get 100% amels all het for carmel, and all the babies would be 50% possible het for stripe.

 

[cornscorpfrog]

I have tried to work out what I would get if I bred the offspring with each other with the info you gave me and this is what I got. (correct me if i get it wrong)

if I: amel het carmel + amel het carmel = 100% Butter
if I: amel het carmel + amel het carmel het stripe = 50% Butter, 50% butter het stripe
if I: amel het carmel het stripe + amel het carmel het stripe = 50% Butter het stripe, 25% butter stripe, 25% Butter

This is proberly all wrong but I thought I should try and work it out before i asked.

 

[Joejr14]

I have tried to work out what I would get if I bred the offspring with each other with the info you gave me and this is what I got. (correct me if i get it wrong)

if I: amel het carmel + amel het carmel = 100% Butter
if I: amel het carmel + amel het carmel het stripe = 50% Butter, 50% butter het stripe
if I: amel het carmel het stripe + amel het carmel het stripe = 50% Butter het stripe, 25% butter stripe, 25% Butter

This is proberly all wrong but I thought I should try and work it out before i asked.

Nope, sorry, but that's not correct either--close though.

Amel het caramel x Amel het caramel = 25% butter, 25% amel, 50% amel het caramel.

Amel het caramel x Amel het caramel het stripe= Same as above, 50% of all offspring are het for stripe.

Amel het caramel, stripe X Amel het Caramel, stripe= 25% amel het caramel, stripe, 12.50% amel striped het caramel, 12.50% butter het for striped, 12.50% amel het stripe, 12.50% caramel het stripe, 6.25% butter stripe, 6.25% amel stripe, 6.25% butter, 6.25% amel.

 

[Joejr14]

Here are some links for you:

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20913

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18097

 

[cornscorpfrog]

I just want to clear up one more thing, after reading your replies Joejr14 and after reading the bit on one of your links about the number of combos each snake gives I tried finding it by myself again but could only see one combo for the amel het caramel when i think you found 2.

Amel het caramel x Amel het caramel = 25% butter, 25% amel, 50% amel het caramel.

Could you tell me what the two combos for the amel het caramel were so that I can understand how you found out that the offspring for the 2 amel het caramels would be 25% butter, 25% amel, 50% amel het caramel.

 

[Serpwidgets]

I just want to clear up one more thing, after reading your replies Joejr14 and after reading the bit on one of your links about the number of combos each snake gives I tried finding it by myself again but could only see one combo for the amel het caramel when i think you found 2.
Could you tell me what the two combos for the amel het caramel were so that I can understand how you found out that the offspring for the 2 amel het caramels would be 25% butter, 25% amel, 50% amel het caramel.

The genotype of an amel het caramel is:
a^a·a^a, Ca⁺·ca^c
(Or in the simplified notation, "aaCc")

So it can make sperm or eggs that are either:
a^a, Ca⁺
or
a^a, ca^c

Lay those out into your Punnett square:
<table border=1><tr><td></td><td>a^a, Ca⁺</td><td>a^a, ca^c</td></tr><tr><td>a^a, Ca⁺</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>a^a, ca^c</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table>

Then fill it in:
<table border=1><tr><td></td><td><B>a^a, Ca⁺</B></td><td><B>a^a, ca^c</B></td></tr><tr><td><B>a^a, Ca⁺</B></td><td>a^a, Ca⁺<br>a^a, Ca⁺</td><td>a^a, Ca⁺<br>a^a, ca^c</td></tr><tr><td><B>a^a, ca^c</B></td><td>a^a, Ca⁺<br>a^a, ca^c</td><td>a^a, ca^c<br>a^a, ca^c</td></tr></table>

 

[Jynx]

Amel het caramel x Amel het caramel = 25% butter, 25% amel, 50% amel het caramel.

Ah ha! Now I get to be the GBB here! lol Wait wait, let me dwell... Give me a minute... :grin01: One more minute... Ah basking in the glory... ok ok I'm done...

Ok I'll stop. It was probably a typo on your part since you are a carmel/butter fiend but that cross will yield amels that are 66% poss het carmel

Yes, I just made a big deal over a little thing... I'm retarded, I know

 

[Joejr14]

Amel het caramel x Amel het caramel = 25% butter, 25% amel, 50% amel het caramel.QUOTE]

Ah ha! Now I get to be the GBB here! lol Wait wait, let me dwell... Give me a minute... :grin01: One more minute... Ah basking in the glory... ok ok I'm done...

Ok I'll stop. It was probably a typo on your part since you are a carmel/butter fiend but that cross will yield amels that are 66% poss het carmel

Yes, I just made a big deal over a little thing... I'm retarded, I know

Nice try, but there's not possible het anything. That's simply for our benefit. Statistically for that clutch its 25% amel and 50% amel het caramel.

 

[Jynx]

yes but a het to het breeding will yield a 66% possibility that the hatchlings are het for carmel. A het to normal breeding will yield a 50% possibility.

 

[Joejr14]

yes but a het to het breeding will yield a 66% possibility that the hatchlings are het for carmel. A het to normal breeding will yield a 50% possibility.

You're digging yourself a whole, darling.

Normal het caramel x Normal het caramel = 25% caramels, 25% normals, 50% normal het caramel.

Each egg has a 50% chance of being het for caramel. The probability that the hatchlings are het for caramel is 50%, not 66%. The 66% shows up when you are trying to pick which normals are het for caramel and which are not. Out of 75%, 50% are het for caramel, hence the 66% number. 50/75 = 66.66.

 

[Jynx]

nervermind... you're not getting where I'm coming from here... Go get Chuck's book Joe. Its explains it in there. I'm to tired to go in depth

 

[Joejr14]

nervermind... you're not getting where I'm coming from here...

LoL. You're trying to be a smart ass, I get where you're coming from!

I see what you're saying, but there's no such thing as 'possible het'. A snake is either het for something, or isn't. We take these numbers and based upon what stastically should happen, we come up with possible het numbers.

 

[Jynx]

I know theres no such this a a possible het! I'm talking about the possibility that the het gene from the parents were passed down to the hatchling. OYE!

Jesus... talking to you sometimes I just want to rip my face off! lol

 

[Joejr14]

I know theres no such this a a possible het! I'm talking about the possibility that the het gene from the parents were passed down to the hatchling. OYE!

Jesus... talking to you sometimes I just want to rip my face off! lol

Okay then. The probability that a het x het pairing produces het snakes is 50%.

 

[Jynx]

Okay then. The probability that a het x het pairing produces het snakes is 50%.

And that what I'm trying to tell you is where you are wrong... *SIGH*

het X het = 66% probability
het X normal = 50% probability

It is so hard to tell you you're wrong ya know! Ok I quit. Trying to correct you is exhausting! :nyah:

 

[Serpwidgets]

Heh heh.

The results of the Punnett squares show that half of the clutch is het. (The other half is either homo caramel or homo normal.) Joe is correct.

The 66% comes from having pulled a quarter of the clutch out of the running because their genotype is known. Out of the ones that are not expressing the mutation, 1/3rd are homo normal, and 2/3rds are hets. :santa:

It's not 66% of the whole clutch, it's 66% of the NORMALS in the clutch, which only make up 75% of the clutch. That's 2/3rds of 75%, which of course is 50%.

 

[Jynx]

Nothing worse than arguing a point that you swear is right just to be shot down. You are absolutly right Chuck. I was thinking the entire clutch, and I should have only thought about the normals. See, this is why I leave the genetics thing up to you guys and just stick to what knowledge I have of genetics...which is just enough. I'm going to go shuffle off to my dark little hole now... lol

Ok Joe, you have a huge oppotunity to nail me on this one, but I'm tired and todays been crappy already even though its only 9... and if you do I'll never talk to you again lol

 

[cornscorpfrog]

Sorry to but in, but I have another question, I understand everything about the amel het caramel and the amel with the butter het stripe now.
My new question is what would I get if I bred a snow with the butter het stripe?
I know the anery gene stops the production of red pigments but I'm confused because a butter is a amel and caramel but doesn't produce red pigments ether. I think I read some were that the gene in butters that produced red was mutated to produce yellow but I'm not sure if this is right, but if it is then would the anery stop the production of yellow?

 

[Joejr14]

Nothing worse than arguing a point that you swear is right just to be shot down. You are absolutly right Chuck. I was thinking the entire clutch, and I should have only thought about the normals. See, this is why I leave the genetics thing up to you guys and just stick to what knowledge I have of genetics...which is just enough. I'm going to go shuffle off to my dark little hole now... lol

Ok Joe, you have a huge oppotunity to nail me on this one, but I'm tired and todays been crappy already even though its only 9... and if you do I'll never talk to you again lol

It's okay Catherine. *Pats head*

You should know better than to argue with me, especially genetics.