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Whats the deal!

So if a cornsnake is a Hypo Sunkissed Bloodred/ Lavender Stripe, which is it? Is it a bloodred, or a lavender, or a stripe? Or is it both? Or neither? This is becoming very confusing.

For the record, I don't mind if you use the C-word to describe my and mine as long as it is meant in a friendly manner. I don't mean Cajun, of course. I'm just saying. :nyah:

That takes a lot of arrogance to tell me that you know what I was thinking. What am I thinking NOW?

I am apprehensive to presume anything now, for fear of being called the a-word. I'll use a prephrase to dodge the bullet. Though if I were to get shot, I'd prefer to take the bullet from someone I respect, such as KJ, for instance.

If the c-word referenced was c*rnsn*k*s, then yes, that is the word I meant. If this is correct, I believe we were wise to nay take ownership of that word. I believe it still belongs to that nice fit man in Tallahassee (aka "you know who"), the one who is said to be retiring. Though in the future, the word may be available for a new owner. Perhaps we can take a poll on who should become the new keeper of the c-word. And in such an event, can we vote for more than one candidate, get multiple abusernames, clear our caches and reset our IPs, thereby enabling and empowering ourselves to vote multiples of multiples of times every day? If I am erronous in my assumption of what you meant by the c-word, I am sorry, I did not mean it that way.
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Well,...if the word spade was used earlier in this thread....I missed it.

It was another thread. It was just an example of another word that is racially charged that, I believe, depends on more than just the word itself. I'm not attacking the use of the phrase. I just didn't like it. I got over it....lol.

But I also know the other meaning of "spade" and would take my position based on how it's used in a sentence.

Ditto, except I do that for the word "lynch," too. :devil01:

With all that said, the "bonus" comment may lead many people to believe she meant lynch racially, but my argument has been on how I interpretted it when I first read it...and that was WELL before I saw that comment. Regardless of how she meant it, I've been discussing the connotations and use of the word itself - not how she originally meant it in her own mind. Maybe my thought on WHAT she meant has changed, but my original thought can not change since that is in the past. Makes sense? Honestly, I don't care how Susan meant it. I only care about what I think when I read the word.
 
Well,...if the word spade was used earlier in this thread....I missed it. I let Susan's use of lynching go unremarked upon the first time around, and shortly stopped reading the thread. Until this morning.
For me, "calling a spade a spade" means calling a thing what it is. Usually gay, foolish, idiotic, bad idea, liar, or some other true thing people are afraid to say. But I also know the other meaning of "spade" and would take my position based on how it's used in a sentence. Some words I (by my non-racist mother and grandparents) was just passiviely taught to never use.

I've got to mosey on to work, but will see y'all from there. I have my own theory on how words become linguistically "charged" of not. I am alluding to Wayne, in that I don't find honky or cracker offensive. In that that have not historically been "charged" with the metaphorical gunpowder or nitro that other "charged" words have.

I read your other post, about how you were raised by racist/prejudiced parents. Something I can relate too. Both of my parents would let racial slurs, slip from their lips on a regular basis. As a child, I found myself emulating them and their beliefs, but came to the realization that those thoughts and beliefs are ignorant and slowly dying in this country.

I work really hard, to bring up my children that we are all equal beings. That differences like skin color and such are petty reasons to judge any person. I do not tolerate, racial remarks in my and especially, in my children's presence.

One term that I feel is charged, is the word "tolerance". That word bothers me when used in dealing with racism and prejudices. Why do I have to "tolerate" a person, because they are of a different color. Why can't I just accept it and look past that? Why can't I judge a person on being a person, instead of petty differences? The truth is, I do look past all that so I don't need to tolerate anyone.

I don't care what color you are, what your religion is, what your sexual preference is, whatever you are! You are a person in my eyes and nothing less. That is a method of thinking that I try to teach my children!

Wayne
 
I don't have a panda, but I have this one!

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Wayne
 
I thought your post was great Wayne, and I have the same dislike for the word "tolerance". I don't think it is very relevant in today's day and age, and simply tolerating someone based on racial, religious, or sexual orientation really isn't a great thing. It's like saying "I know your less than me, but I tolerate it". I think acceptance is a much better word, as it says "I know we have differences, but I accept you just as I would anyone else".

As for your spade comment KJUN. I think I brought up that saying once in another thread, as it was used at me in the same sentence. I really honestly have no other interpretation other than it being a spade like a shovel. I see it as calling something like it is, and no other meaning. This however is nothing like the "lynching" word, because I don't think you can honestly say you had no idea of it's racial connotation. I'm not saying you particularly used it as a racially charged term, but I can't ignore the obvious to exempt the outrageous remark geared towards pres. Obama.
If somehow "calling a spade a spade" is a remark seen as offensive, then I was honestly unaware of that interpretation entirely, and will choose a new garden tool to reference.
 
So if a cornsnake is a Hypo Sunkissed Bloodred/ Lavender Stripe, which is it? Is it a bloodred, or a lavender, or a stripe? Or is it both? Or neither? This is becoming very confusing.

I am apprehensive to presume anything now, for fear of being called the a-word. I'll use a prephrase to dodge the bullet. Though if I were to get shot, I'd prefer to take the bullet from someone I respect, such as KJ, for instance.
So by positively identifying one item (KJ), is that implicit omission that there is any one else on this thread that you respect? :D ;)
Just askin'........
I read your other post, about how you were raised by racist/prejudiced parents. Something I can relate too. Both of my parents would let racial slurs, slip from their lips on a regular basis. As a child, I found myself emulating them and their beliefs, but came to the realization that those thoughts and beliefs are ignorant and slowly dying in this country.

I work really hard, to bring up my children that we are all equal beings. That differences like skin color and such are petty reasons to judge any person. I do not tolerate, racial remarks in my and especially, in my children's presence.

One term that I feel is charged, is the word "tolerance". That word bothers me when used in dealing with racism and prejudices. Why do I have to "tolerate" a person, because they are of a different color. Why can't I just accept it and look past that? Why can't I judge a person on being a person, instead of petty differences? The truth is, I do look past all that so I don't need to tolerate anyone.

I don't care what color you are, what your religion is, what your sexual preference is, whatever you are! You are a person in my eyes and nothing less. That is a method of thinking that I try to teach my children!

Wayne
And thank you, Wayne. Excellent point here. For whatever I am, I don't want to be "tolerated". I take that as an insult, in the general use you are talking about.
And to alleviate the seemingly contradictory statements in my posts, one side of my family was exceedingly racist, and the other side was exceptionally--without making a big deal about it--non-racist/accepting/all-inclusive/et cetera.
So the choice was mine to make after qualitative observation of both sides.
Buy him a doctor pepper.
And Mike, after in-depth personal observation and study of my own, I have concluded that you GSC guys really aren't all that bad after all. And I say that with humor and manly affection, no condescension whatsoever.
 
A trowel is a trowel. (But then you have to get into the whole argument about whether it's a gardening trowel, aka a hand trowel; or a mason's trowel; or a notched trowel; or a grout float, and whether that's actually a trowel or not (not to mention the gardening trowel...))
 
J9, Can I ask you why it is alright for them to use those words amongst each other and yet be offended when others use the same words towards them?
I personally find those words very offensive and never understood why it was alright for a black person to use the N word when talking to a friend and yet find it offensive when others use it towards them?
I"m just trying to become enlightened here and not trying to offend anyone of any race.
There's a difference between it totally, IMO, and one is used to express love and the other is used to express hate. If your car breaks down on the highway on your way to work and you say "gotta love this" the term love would be used as a form of dislike; Context and sound is what makes it work. In the music I listen to I understand it, because it's used as a form to unite a culture divided from years and years of oppression. It's been broken down and changed to love, like how plants use carbon to create oxygen. Same thing; to make a positive out of a negative!.

If there were absolutely NO risk of banning, and given ALL the photos just posted, I would LOVE to conduct a little social experiment.

Dig, if you will, two pictures:

One is of a mob of angry whites surrounding a lynched black man, circa 1910-1920 in rural America. They're all smiling around the "strange fruit"; justice has been served.

The second photo is of any random porn starlet; for argument's sake, let's go with Jenna Jameson, even though she's "out of the industry", and personally, I'm more of a Christy Canyon and/or Buffy Davis kind of guy. Said starlet is on her back, legs akimbo, inviting you to partake of her carnal delights.

Of the two photographs, which would be the more offensive?

Just askin'.

Dale
I think both are inappropriate, but at least the porn star picture would get you in legal trouble if you showed it. The lynching picture could be openly used and would be legal to show in most places. IMO, though, it's way too different to contemplate. Racism is unacceptable even in private, whereas 'illicit' material is acceptable, though highly frowned upon. For me there's no confusing the two, and I would be opposed to both for completely different reasons. At least the woman is only shaming herself, though!.

I thought you were a prick.?
If you think I'm going to rep you again your wrong, totally wrong!!,:santa: (psst: check your rep tomorrow at 1800 est).
 
I think his wingtips are there, they're just folded under.

Ya think? The edge looked like scar tissue to me. It might be folded under, but it is still a freaky image with or without wing tips.....lol.

I work really hard, to bring up my children that we are all equal beings.

Ooooh. Time for ANOTHER argument now. We haven't had enough yet. Here in these united states, we operate (supposedl) under the idea that all men (masculine includes females when grouped together - nothing sexist meant) are created equal. I believe that to be true. However, most people don't actually think about what that means. Some say it means we all have equal chances to improve. Some say it means in the eyes of "the" lord. Some say it means we aren't judged by the sins of our fathers. et alias. I believe all that to be true, but I also believe mose people cue in on the world equal and forget the other word: created.

The idea is that we start off equal. Where you go from there depends upon you. This ideal doesn't say all of us ARE equal - it means we were CREATED equal. I am not the equal of a child murderer. I am better than him/her. I know that with every fiber of my being. I belive it completely just like I believe we were created equal - that horrible predator just took the wrong turns that I did not. Even the law recognizes that people are NOT equal. If they were, then preventing felons (once they pay their debt) from voting or owning a firearm wouldn't be a justifiable regulation. In fact, those people are legally considered "not good enough to vote any more." Their choices have made them unequals - if only in the voting booth and nowhere else. ;)

Notice: black or white, tall or short, male or female, masculine of femine, or whatever - it doesn't matter. We are created equal. What we MAKE of ourselves from there is what makes us better or worse. The idea that I am equal to a murderer or a rapist is something I can not accept. They ARE lesser because of their choices even though they started off equal with equal chances to become a good person. Money and such obviously do NOT make a person "better" than anyone else. What makes someone "better" in our eyes is likely different from one person to the next. I admit that.

However, being created equal is NOT the same as being equal.



Buy him a doctor pepper.

That is more like it! With cherry.


I really honestly have no other interpretation other than it being a spade like a shovel.
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This however is nothing like the "lynching" word, because I don't think you can honestly say you had no idea of it's racial connotation.


To quote you (but with "its" corrected) in return, "I don't think you can honestly say you had no idea of its [i.e., spade's] racial connotation." Wether you did or did not, I can't comprehend that you didn't know what I'm talking about now. To answer you, no. Sure, I know blacks were lunched. So were whites and anyone else a mob disliked for the day. My mind might associate it with the KKK some only because they did it, but they lynched (i.e., mob violence culminating in a hanging or hangings) lots more than blacks. When I hear lynch, I think of a LYNCH MOB. The image I get is a western where they are (usually) lynching a cattle rustler or horse thief. That is the connotation I get - white on white. If any other race is involved, it is likely hispanic - not black.

That doesn't matter. You might have the connotation. Someone else might not. Because that spade comment is highly insulting here, does that mean YOU are wrong for using it? No. not if you didn't meant it that way. So, if you are not wrong for using spade even though it is offensive to some, why is someone else automatically wrong for using the word "lynch" if they don't mean it in a racial way. If you can use a word with racial connotations without meaning those connotations, why can't someone else?

I'm not defending Susan. I might have, but it is hard to do now with added comments. Her choice to say it if she wants, but before that I had NO echos of racial connotations in my mind to the word. I don't mean race when I say lynch. If you do when you read them, then the problem is in your head if you get upset. Just like spade. I understand the word MIGHT have different meanings to different people, but you don't seem to comprehend that words might mean different things than the meanings YOU (plural - not just Micheal) assign to them in your head.

Again, you use the spade comments, but it is OK because you didn't mean them even though that IS a racially charged statement....but lynch can never be used and can never have non-racial charged meanings. Hogwash. One or the other. A word is racially charged and "wrong" whether you mean it that way or not - or it is not. Either the user of both terms is wrong or the user of both terms has the potential for not using them racially. One or the other, but this game of "me ok" and "you bad" just doesn't sit right with me.
KJ
 
I read your other post, about how you were raised by racist/prejudiced parents. Something I can relate too. Both of my parents would let racial slurs, slip from their lips on a regular basis. As a child, I found myself emulating them and their beliefs, but came to the realization that those thoughts and beliefs are ignorant and slowly dying in this country.

I work really hard, to bring up my children that we are all equal beings. That differences like skin color and such are petty reasons to judge any person. I do not tolerate, racial remarks in my and especially, in my children's presence.

One term that I feel is charged, is the word "tolerance". That word bothers me when used in dealing with racism and prejudices. Why do I have to "tolerate" a person, because they are of a different color. Why can't I just accept it and look past that? Why can't I judge a person on being a person, instead of petty differences? The truth is, I do look past all that so I don't need to tolerate anyone.

I don't care what color you are, what your religion is, what your sexual preference is, whatever you are! You are a person in my eyes and nothing less. That is a method of thinking that I try to teach my children!

Wayne
Exactly Wayne and SO well stated!. I tolerate being accidentally bit by my Geckos at feeding time, I tolerate being sick, I tolerate bad weather, I even tolerate the Celtics losing a game or 2; That's tolerance. I accept friendship, and I accept kindness, and I accept free baby corn snakes from some of the beautiful people here on CS.com!.;)

Big difference, and it goes a long way to express that difference in front of people who may be too uncomfortable voicing it themselves. It sounds like your definitely going to have an 'accepting' family, and I'm glad to hear it broken down like that; Thank you Wayne!!.
 
like how plants use carbon to create oxygen. [/I]

Actually, they use carbon dioxide (with water and light energy) to make sugars are release oxygen as a waste product (if memory serves right). Whatever - they do NOT use CARBON to CREATE oxygen. That would be a very energetic change in atomic mass. It would take more enegery that light hitting the plants leaves could provide.



If you think I'm going to rep you again your wrong, totally wrong!!,:santa: (psst: check your rep tomorrow at 1800 est).

Man, you are really good at calling others names - and supporting of profanity - but as soon as someone hurts you or picks on you, it's whining to the moderators that "they are being mean to me!" LOL. Be nice - I pay taxes to your so-loved Obama!
 
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