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ACLU... I hate you.

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everythings bigger in texas. even egos i guess.

ive never seen such a bigoted reporter before. not to wish bad on her, but i dont see her making it very far in the reporting world. not saying theres no biased reporters. but they also make points without hissy fits because someone disagreed. im just upset i missed out, i woulda had popcorn just watching the argument unfold. were all foreigners here unless we have native american blood in us. even if your "from" texas as she is. i mean everyone in texas is the only true american blood. well some think that way anyways, not all.
 
diamondlil said:
Hmmmmmmmmm, and you have a photo of you together to prove this?:grin01:
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As a matter of fact....
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*grin* okay so maybe just....

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So there
 
Ok Tara, I'll believe you unless you start having conversations realtime on the same computer. :) (Cute picture btw, nice to see you two looking so happy)
 
snakewispera snr said:
TBH... I felt that a holiday was coming up.... I'm just amazed at how far she got before the button was pushed..
Your mellowing in your old age, Deano.
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Hah! I guess I am. I disagreed with about 99% of everything she posted, and I try not to let bias influence my modding, so maybe I let her go too far. But if a member asks to be banned, and they threaten to break rules if we don't accommodate them, then I'd rather take care of the problem than allow further disruption.
 
Religious symbol or not, there becomes a point where we need to use common sense, overlook the political BS, and respect our fallen soldiers in a way that reflects their courage. This is disrespectful to the dead, and I am appalled that a memorial would be taken down on this basis.
I don't want religion forced upon me, but that is a definition that I can look at unbiasedly. I agree with Zoologygirl about the exact symbol that is in question, but I think that our over sensitivity yet lack of compassion is frightening. If we can't display our memorials for fallen soldiers in a way that they would have liked, then how do we honor them?
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Michael, i think this is the first time i have agreed with you in a while!

People these days act like if they see a cross they are being "forced" to be a Christian!
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exactly.

hey are claiming it is not "religious". I find that bogus.
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The cross is religious, and there is no disputing that. But it wasn't USED as a christian device. Its a MEMORIAL. Not a symbol that people have to pray at 6 hours a day! Its not meant to honor god or any of that, its meant to honor or vets! And the government didn't even put the cross up so its not even a violation of church and state. They have no right to board it up or any of that BECAUSE THOSE VETS HAD A FREEDOM OF SPEECH! and the government didn't put it up so there is no basis for the church and state argument!

It's a memorial, to honor the fallen, made by those of the Christian faith. All the power to them. And if someone wants to make a pentacle memorial, all the power to them as well.
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I agree.

Not on federal land, they aren't.
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Its been there over 60 years.. why hasn't anyone tried to take it down before this???
And i don't think anyone said that it was on federal land. I can say anything for sure, but who knows? maybe it isn't on federal land!

As far as I know.
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As far as you know!?!?!?! so you don't even KNOW if its on federal land!?!?!?!

government erected monuments on government land.
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IT WAS NOT ERECTED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IF ITS ON GOVERNMENT LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The cross was NOT erected as a Veteran's Memorial...it was erected as a cross.
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that makes absolutely no sense....

It's like we are loosing partiotism...
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Thats because we ARE loosing patriotism. To most people now, the us is just the big bad wolf and we need to apologize for things we never did to the world, and that we need to give up or "superpower" status..

separation of church and state," nuff said!
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IT WAS NOT PUT UP BY THE GOVERNMENT NOR IS IT ON GOVERNMENT LAND!!!!!!!!!!!! :realhot:

There is no non-religious display of a cross.
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I disagree.

There are rules and regulations concerning the placement of religious icons on federal lands
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ITS NOT ON FEDERAL LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbang:

Yes, they're supposed to represent our viewpoints, but once they get into office the glory of the position overrides any sense of right or wrong, and they do what the extremists dictate.
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i agree! :)

ive got a football game to play, so i'll finnish later.

im on page 9
 
Cornsnake124 said:
Michael, i think this is the first time i have agreed with you in a while!


exactly.


The cross is religious, and there is no disputing that. But it wasn't USED as a christian device. Its a MEMORIAL. Not a symbol that people have to pray at 6 hours a day! Its not meant to honor god or any of that, its meant to honor or vets! And the government didn't even put the cross up so its not even a violation of church and state. They have no right to board it up or any of that BECAUSE THOSE VETS HAD A FREEDOM OF SPEECH! and the government didn't put it up so there is no basis for the church and state argument!


I agree.


Its been there over 60 years.. why hasn't anyone tried to take it down before this???
And i don't think anyone said that it was on federal land. I can say anything for sure, but who knows? maybe it isn't on federal land!


As far as you know!?!?!?! so you don't even KNOW if its on federal land!?!?!?!


IT WAS NOT ERECTED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IF ITS ON GOVERNMENT LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


that makes absolutely no sense....


Thats because we ARE loosing patriotism. To most people now, the us is just the big bad wolf and we need to apologize for things we never did to the world, and that we need to give up or "superpower" status..


IT WAS NOT PUT UP BY THE GOVERNMENT NOR IS IT ON GOVERNMENT LAND!!!!!!!!!!!! :realhot:


I disagree.


ITS NOT ON FEDERAL LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbang:


i agree! :)

ive got a football game to play, so i'll finnish later.

im on page 9
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Seriously, I think you've missed the boat on this discussion........
 
So, Cornsnake124, by your logic, the fact that the illegally erected memorial stood for 60 years before somebody pointed it out should grand-father it in, right?

So does that mean that if I can manage to grow marijuana in a National forest for a decade or two without getting caught, that also should be grandfathered in??
 
Does anyone think veterans would seriously feel they were being forgoten if this cross was moved? I personally thank a vet when I see one in uniform or know someone served. Even at the height of President Bush's unpopularity people were saying we support the troops, not the war. I think our vetrans know they are appriciated and well respected by the american public in many ways.
 
We can't and shouldn't accommodate every religion, demonination, etc. at every war memorial. Why can't we just display the flag? Isn't that the symbol of the actual institution for which these veterans fought and/or died?
 
Just my 2 cents... I'm sure that most Egyptians no longer believe in Ra/Seth/Horus/et al... but instead of tearing down their history, they're embracing it - without any thought of "having to convert". Maybe if we leave it alone in 2,000/20,000 years, it'll be something WE can embrace as our history?

I don't know... I see both sides of this. It just seems that the ACLU is on the look out for the most inoccuous things these days (and not just Christian symbols).
 
Dont have to leave yet, so i will get a few of the replys to my post.
Hypancistrus said:
So, Cornsnake124, by your logic, the fact that the illegally erected memorial stood for 60 years before somebody pointed it out should grand-father it in, right?

So does that mean that if I can manage to grow marijuana in a National forest for a decade or two without getting caught, that also should be grandfathered in??
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Now i never said that, did i. I just said that it does not apply BECAUSE ITS NOT ON FEDERAL LAND!!!!!!!

Even at the height of President Bush's unpopularity people were saying we support the troops, not the war.
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IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO SUPPORT THE TROOPS AND NOT THE WAR!
 
Roy Munson said:
We can't and shouldn't accommodate every religion, demonination, etc. at every war memorial. Why can't we just display the flag? Isn't that the symbol of the actual institution for which these veterans fought and/or died?
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The_Thunderer said:
Just my 2 cents... I'm sure that most Egyptians no longer believe in Ra/Seth/Horus/et al... but instead of tearing down their history, they're embracing it - without any thought of "having to convert". Maybe if we leave it alone in 2,000/20,000 years, it'll be something WE can embrace as our history?

I don't know... I see both sides of this. It just seems that the ACLU is on the look out for the most inoccuous things these days (and not just Christian symbols).
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Strange but true,,,,
The oldest and most universal symbol, that has been usedby most countries is now seen as a very bad sign
The Swastika
So it seems things can and do change over time, depending on peoples views...
 
I think taking a PM someone sent you and publicly posting it has got to be the tackiest thing I have ever seen. Then adding "you might be surprised who the person was that sent it to me" well it has rubbed me the wrong way more than anything else Erica has said or done.
It's a PRIVATE message. At least she didn't put the peoples' names who sent them to her. Forget a future in Fox News, I think the National Enquirer would be more suitable!
 
Cornsnake124 said:
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO SUPPORT THE TROOPS AND NOT THE WAR!
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And if I claimed that it's not possible to support health care reform and not the President, how would you respond?

Please, do your homework and study hard; take extra credit assignments whenever you can. You'll need all the help you can get.


Dale
 
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